* http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 6EDCC93FD6
I have heard before of The Adamscalendar and the Tens of Thousands other ancient ruins, but today the connection for me came a little closer to understanding...
These mysterious ancient ruins consist of dwellings, forts, temples roads, irrigation systems and agricultural terraces that cover thousands of square kilometres. It is our estimate that more stone went into building these features than went into building all of the Egyptian pyramids. It is an archaeologist’s dream that will unveil even greater and more mysterious secrets in years to come.
There is an overwhelming consensus by scholars, academics and even mystics that southern Africa is the cradle of humankind and that this is where the first humans walked the Earth before migrating to the distant corners of our planet. Through the study of mitochondrial DNA in females, geneticists found evidence that points to a time when the first humans suddenly appeared on Earth, reigniting the ongoing debate about the ‘missing link’. Their calculation show that the common ancestor to all humans appeared somewhere between 180,000 and 360,000 years ago. She was affectionately called Mitochondrial Eve.
But the first signs of human intelligence and consciousness only appeared around 75,000 years ago, when the Khoisan people of southern Africa, sometimes also referred to as Bushmen, started leaving behind an array of spectacular cave paintings all over this part of the continent. Finely crafted beads and bracelet fragments found in a cave at Blombos in the Western Cape, South Africa, show that these early humans had already developed a feel for the arts and crafts around 80,000 years ago. Until recently, this was the only real link we had to the cradle of humankind in southern Africa and its earliest inhabitants.
Southern Africa holds some of the deepest mysteries in all of human history. Although much has been written about the first humans who appeared in this part of the world, we have found very little evidence of their activity, what they did and what kind of lives they led.
The re-evaluation of some of these ancient stone ruins of southern Africa has led us further back in time than ever before. Could these stone ruin be the remains of the earliest human settlements on Earth?
When historians first stumbled upon these structures they simply assumed that they were cattle kraal left behind by the Bantu people as they moved south and settled the land from around the 13th century. But research work done by people like Cyril Hromnik, Richard Wade, Johan Heine and a handful of others over the past twenty years, into ancient southern African history, has revealed that these stone structures are in fact more than just cattle kraal, but the remains of ancient temples and astronomical observatories of lost ancient civilisations that stretch back for thousands of years.
These circular ruins are spread over thousands of square kilometres. They can only truly be appreciated from the air, and those lucky enough to view these ruins from the air will be able to see hundreds of ruins in a one-hour trip.
Many of them have almost completely eroded or have been covered by the movement of soil, while some have survived and still display the great sizes of the original walls that stand 2,5 metres high and over a metre wide in places. Prof Guy Charlesworth of Wits University concurs that if these were the original heights of some of the walls, it would have taken thousands of years to erode to knee-height through the effects of nature alone. An ancient road structure that is still visible for hundreds of kilometres once connected most or all of these ruins. It becomes evident that this was no accidental settlement but a well planned and evolved civilisation that were mining gold and had some means of transport. Extended agricultural terraces are spread over large areas, often resembling scenes from the Inca settlements in Peru. This would suggest that these people had a good knowledge of agriculture and planted produce extensively.
There is no real count or audit of these ruins at present, but it is estimated by those who have been flying over them for many years that there must be around 20,000 structures scattered all over southern and east Africa.
Many of the circular structures are aligned to specific geographic points including solstices and equinoxes. But only when Johan Heine began to experiment with other possible encoded geometry, that the real hidden secrets of the ruins began to emerge. They are riddled with sacred geometry, Reiki symbolism and the Phi factor or golden ratio of 1,618.
The discovery of the ancient stone calendar site by Johan Heine (Adam’s Calendar) in among all these stone dwellings and temples, would suggest that some of the structures would date back to the same era as the calendar some 75,000 years ago. It shows us with a certain level of clarity that these lost civilisations have been around for much longer than anyone could ever have imagined. It would not be absurd to then suggest that we may be staring at the very first concentrated human settlements inhabited by the early Homo sapiens.
Human history on Earth cannot be separated from gold. Since the earliest of times, humans have been obsessed with gold and have been mining it in all kinds of ways. Even God, as early as Genesis 2, displays his own obsession with gold when he talks about the garden of Eden where there was gold.
Until the 16th century the gold producing region of Mpumalanga was known as Komatiland. Early Portuguese sources describe it as Terra dos Macomates, the land of the Komati people. Komati was the professional name of a Dravidian merchant caste of South India. This name is still attached to the Komati River, Komatipoort, etc. During centuries of gold exploration they mixed with the indigenous Kung (Bushmen) creating the Quena (Otentottu), and with the Black people from the NW creating the aBantu people, and together they gave rise to the MaKomati. The pre-European form of the name was MaKomatidesa, Land of the MaKomati. (Cyril Hromnik, 1995)
There are at least 2000 ancient gold mines scattered throughout Southern frica, in close proximity to the ruins. Many speculations have been thrown about by all and sundry about the land of Ophir, its location and the whereabouts of Queen Sheba. Most of these speculations tend to point to southern Africa as its most likely location. And why not? This is after all the place where most of the gold in the world has been mined in modern history, and it was no different in ancient times. Is it a coincidence that the richest gold mine in the world today, Sheba Gold Mine, is located right here in Mpumalanga, South Africa?
The Johan Heine Stone Calendar (affectionately called Adam’s Calendar) has been dated by astronomer Bill Hollenbach to be around 75,000 years, based on the movement of the peoples in southern Africa and the emergence of rock art during that period. But it could in fact be even older – dating back to the dawn of Homo sapiens some 250,000 years ago.
The carved edge can be clearly seen, resulting in a sharp edge to cast a clear shadow on the flat calendar rock. The wider monolith became the calendar on which days and weeks were marked as the movement of the sun stretched perfectly from one edge to the other, left to right, and than back again.
Johan Heine is a pilot and explorer by heart. As the head of the fire fighting unit in the forests of Mpumalanga, South Africa, he has been flying over this beautiful mountainous part of the world and exploring it for 20 years. It would be accurate to say that he knows it like the back of his hand. But it was only when he was called out to assist in the search for a colleague who had crashed in the mountains, that he made a discovery that will change how we view our human history. At the edge of a mountain top, he spotted a strange arrangement of giant rocks. Upon his return and closer inspection, this stone calendar site has turned out to be the oldest known man-made site on Earth. Over a 4-year period Johan made many attempts to bring this to the attention of academics with no success. Only when his measurements and findings were presented by default their sudden interest was raised. Over the years many people have seen the ruins and wondered what they meant. The mystery has now been solved, thanks to the persistence and meticulous work by Johan Heine.
For 4 years Johan had been pondering, plotting and photographing his historic discovery. After many attempts to attract the interest from historians and archaeologists had failed, he never gave up his quest to measure the site and establish the ancient and original geographical alignments. Only when his measurements and findings were presented by default then sudden interest was raised. Over the years many people have seen the ruins and wondered what they meant. The mystery has now been solved, thanks to the persistence and meticulous work of Johan Heine.
NOW IT GOES A LITTLE BIT DEEPER FOR THE ONES WHO ARE INTERESTED :lol:
Ancient Human Metropolis Found in Africa
By Dan Eden for viewzone.
They have always been there. People noticed them before. But no one could remember who made them -- or why? Until just recently, no one even knew how many there were. Now they are everywhere -- thousands -- no, hundreds of thousands of them! And the story they tell is the most important story of humanity. But it's one we might not be prepared to hear.
Something amazing has been discovered in an area of South Africa, about 150 miles inland, west of the port of Maputo. It is the remains of a huge metropolis that measures, in conservative estimates, about 1500 square miles. It's part of an even larger community that is about 10,000 square miles and appears to have been constructed -- are you ready -- from 160,000 to 200,000 BCE!
The image [top of page] is a close-up view of just a few hundred meters of the landscape taken from google-earth. The region is somewhat remote and the "circles" have often been encountered by local farmers who assumed they were made by some indigenous people in the past. But, oddly, no one ever bothered to inquire about who could have made them or how old they were.
This changed when researcher and author, Michael Tellinger, teamed up with Johan Heine, a local fireman and pilot who had been looking at these ruins from his years flying over the region. Heine had the unique advantage to see the number and extent of these strange stone foundations and knew that their significance was not being appreciated.
Where it was found:
To see the number and scope of these ruins, I suggest that you use google-earth and start with the following coordinates:
Carolina -- 25 55' 53.28" S / 30 16' 13.13" E
Badplaas -- 25 47' 33.45" S / 30 40' 38.76" E
Waterval -- 25 38' 07.82" S / 30 21' 18.79" E
Machadodorp -- 25 39' 22.42" S / 30 17' 03.25" E
Then perform a low flying search inside the area formed by this rectangle. Simply Amazing!
"When Johan first introduced me to the ancient stone ruins of southern Africa, I had no idea of the incredible discoveries we would make in the year or two that followed. The photographs, artifacts and evidence we have accumulated points unquestionably to a lost and never-before-seen civilization that predates all others -- not by just a few hundred years, or a few thousand years... but many thousands of years. These discoveries are so staggering that they will not be easily digested by the mainstream historical and archaeological fraternity, as we have already experienced. It will require a complete paradigm shift in how we view our human history. " -- Tellinger
The area is significant for one striking thing -- gold. "The thousands of ancient gold mines discovered over the past 500 years, points to a vanished civilization that lived and dug for gold in this part of the world for thousands of years," says Tellinger. "And if this is in fact the cradle of humankind, we may be looking at the activities of the oldest civilization on Earth."
Did gold play some role in the dense population that once lived here? The site is just about 150 miles from an excellent port where maritime trade could have helped to support such a large population. But remember -- we're talking almost 200,000 years ago!
The individual ruins [see below] mostly consist of stone circles. Most have been buried in the sand and are only observable by satellite or aircraft. Some have been exposed when the changing climate has blown the sand away, revealing the walls and foundations.
"I see myself as a fairly open-minded chap but I will admit that it took me well over a year for the penny to drop, and for me to realise that we are actually dealing with the oldest structures ever built by humans on Earth. The main reason for this is that we have been taught that nothing of significance has ever come from southern Africa. That the powerful civilizations all emerged in Sumeria and Egypt and other places. We are told that until the settlement of the BANTU people from the north, which was supposed to have started sometime in the 12th century AD, this part of the world was filled by hunter gatherers and so-called Bushmen, who did not make any major contributions in technology or civilization." -- Tellinger
A Rich and Diverse History
When explorers first encountered these ruins, they assumed that they were cattle corals made by nomadic tribes, like the Bantu people, as they moved south and settled the land from around the 13th century. There was no previous historical record of any older civilization capable of building such a densly populated community. Little effort was made to investigate the site because the scope of the ruins was not fully known.
Over the past 20 years, people like Cyril Hromnik, Richard Wade, Johan Heine and a handful of others have discovered that these stone structures are not what the seem to be. In fact these are now believed to be the remains of ancient temples and astronomical observatories of lost ancient civilizations that stretch back for many thousands of years.
These circular ruins are spread over a huge area. They can only truly be appreciated from the air or through modern sattelite images. Many of them have almost completely eroded or have been covered by the movement of soil from farming and the weather. Some have survived well enough to reveal their great size [see above] with some original walls standing almost 5 feet high and over a meter wide in places.
Looking at the entire metropolis, it becomes obvious that this was a well planned community, developed by a highly evolved civilization. The number of ancient gold mines suggests the reason for the community being in this location. We find roads -- some extending a hundred miles -- that connected the community and terraced agriculture, closely resembling those found in the Inca settlements in Peru.
But one question begs for an answer -- how could this be achieved by humans 200,000 years ago?
An example of what you will see on google-earth, (image above).
This is what you will see on google-earth at 25 37'40.90"S / 30 17'57.41E [A]. We are viewing the scene from an altitude of 357 meters.
This is not a "special" location -- just one we picked at random, within the previously described area. It shows artifacts that are everywhere and we encourage you to search the area with this great internet technology.
The circular stone structures are obvious from this view, even though they may not be visible from ground level. Notice that there are many very long roads that connect groups of the circular structures. If you zoom out and follow these "roads" they travel for many miles.
The fact that we can see these structures is mainly because natural erosion has blown away the dirt and debris that has covered them for thousands of years. Once exposed to the wind, the rocks are scoured clean and may appear deceptively new.
If you look closely at what first appears to be empty land [C], you will notice many faint circles, indicating that even more dwellings lurk below the surface. In reality, the entire area is packed full of these structures and connecting roads.
Why has no one notices these before?
[b]How the Site was dated
Once the ruins were examined, the researchers were anxious to place the lost civilization in a historical perspective. The rocks were covered with a patina that looked very old but there were no items sufficient for carbon-14 dating. It was then that a chance discovery revealed the age of the site, and sent a chill down the spine of archaeologists and historians!
Dating the site:
Finding the remains of a large community, with as many as 200,000 people living and working together, was a major discovery in itself. But dating the site was a problem. The heavy patina on the rock walls suggested the structures were extremely old, but the science of dating patina is just being developed and is still controversial. Carbon-14 dating of such things as burnt wood introduces the possibility that the specimens could be from recent grass fires which are common in the area.
The breakthrough came quite unexpectedly. As Tellinger describes it:
"Johan Heine discovered Adam's Calendar in 2003, quite by accident. He was on route to find one of his pilots who crashed his plane on the edge of the cliff. Next to the crash site Johan noticed a very strange arrangement of large stones sticking out of the ground. While rescuing the injured pilot from about 20 metres down the side of the cliff, Johan walked over to the monoliths and immediately realised that they were aligned to the cardinal points of Earth -- north, south, east and west. There were at least 3 monoliths aligned towards the sunrise, but on the west side of the aligned monoliths there was a mysterious hole in the ground -- something was missing.
After weeks and months of measuring and observations, Johan concluded that it was perfectly aligned with the rise and fall of the Sun. He determined the solstices and the equinoxes. But the mysterious hole in the ground remained a big puzzle. One day, while contemplating the reason for the hole, the local horse trail expert, Christo, came riding by. He quickly explained to Johan that there was a strange shaped stone which had been removed from the spot some time ago. Apparently it stood somewhere near the entrance to the nature reserve.
After an extensive search, Johan found the anthropomorphic (humanoid shape) stone. It was intact and proudly placed with a plaque stuck to it. It had been used by the Blue Swallow foundation to commemorate the opening of the Blue Swallow reserve in 1994. The irony is that it was removed from the most important ancient site found to date and mysteriously returned to the reserve -- for slightly different reasons.
The exact location of the calendar is listed on http://www.makomati.com The first calculations of the age of the calendar were made based on the rise of Orion, a constellation known for its three bright stars forming the "belt" of the mythical hunter.
The Earth wobbles on its axis and so the stars and constellations change their angle of presentation in the night sky on a cyclical basis. This rotation, called the precession completes a cycle about every 26,000 years. By determining when the three stars of Orion's belt were positioned flat (horizontal) against the horizon, we can estimate the time when the three stones in the calendar were in alignment with these conspicuous stars.
The first rough calculation was at least 25,000 years ago. But new and more precise measurements kept increasing the age. The next calculation was presented by a master archaeoastronomer who wishes to remain anonymous for fear of ridicule by the academic fraternity. His calculation was also based on the rise of Orion and suggested an age of at least 75,000 years. The most recent and most acurate calculation, done in June 2009, suggests an age of at least 160,000 years, based on the rise of Orion -- flat on the horizon -- but also on the erosion of dolerite stones found at the site.
Some pieces of the marker stones had been broken off and sat on the ground, exposed to natural erosion. When the pieces were put back together about 3 cm of stone had already been worn away. These calculation helped assess the age of the site by calculating the erosion rate of the dolerite.
Who made the metropolis? Why?
It would seem that humans have always valued gold. It is even mentioned in the Bible, describing the Garden of Eden's rivers:
Genesis 2:11 -- The name of the first [river] is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.
South Africa is known as the largest gold producing country of the world. The largest gold producing area of the world is Witwatersrand, the same region where the ancient metropolis is found. In fact nearby Johannesburg, one of the best known cities of South Africa, is also named "Egoli" which means the city of gold.
GOLD MINING -- HOW LONG AGO?
Is there evidence that mining took place, in southern Africa, during the Old Stone Age? Archaeological studies indicate that it indeed was so.
Realizing that sites of abandoned ancient mines may indicate where gold could be found, South Africa's leading mining corporation, the Anglo-American Corporation, in the 1970s engaged archaeologists to look for such ancient mines. Published reports (Optima) detail the discovery in Swaziland and other sites in South Africa of extensive mining areas with shafts to depths of fifty feet. Stone objects and charcoal remains established dates of 35,000, 46,000, and 60,000 B.C. for these sites. The archaeologists and anthropologists who joined in dating the finds believed that mining technology was used in south- ern Africa "during much of the period subsequent to 100,000 B.C."
In September 1988, a team of international physicists came to South Africa to verify the age of human habitats in Swaziland and Zululand. The most modern techniques indicated an age of 80,000 to 115,000 years.
Regarding the most ancient gold mines of Monotapa in southern Zimbabwe, Zulu legends hold that they were worked by "artificially produced flesh and blood slaves created by the First People." These slaves, the Zulu legends recount, "went into battle with the Ape-Man" when "the great war star appeared in the sky" (see Indaba My Children, by the Zulu medicine man Credo Vusamazulu Mutwa). [Genesis Revisited]
It seems highly probable that the ancient metropolis was established because of its proximity to the largest supply of gold on the planet. But why would ancient people work so hard to mine gold? You can't eat it. It's too soft to use for tool making. It isn't really useful for anything except ornaments and its physical beauty is on a par with other metals like copper or silver. Exactly why was gold so important to early homo sapiens?
To explore the answer we need to look at the period of history in question -- 160,000 to 200,000 years BCE -- and learn what was happening on planet Earth.
What were humans like 160,000 years ago?
Modern humans, homo sapiens, can trace our ancestry back through time to a point where our species evolved from other, more primitive, hominids. Scientists do not understand why this new type of human suddenly appeared, or how the change happened, but we can trace our genes back to a single female that is known as "Mitochondrial Eve".
Mitochondrial Eve (mt-mrca) [above: An artist's rendition] is the name given by researchers to the woman who is defined as the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) for all currently living humans. Passed down from mother to offspring, all mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) in every living person is derived from this one female individual. Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of Y-chromosomal Adam, the patrilineal most recent common ancestor, although they lived at different times.
Mitochondrial Eve is believed to have lived between 150,000 to 250,000 years BP, probably in East Africa, in the region of Tanzania and areas to the immediate south and west. Scientists speculate that she lived in a population of between perhaps 4000 to 5000 females capable of producing offspring at any given time. If other females had offspring with the evolutionary changes to their DNA we have no record of their survival. It appears that we are all descendants of this one human female.
Mitochondrial Eve would have been roughly contemporary with humans whose fossils have been found in Ethiopia near the Omo River and at Hertho. Mitochondrial Eve lived significantly earlier than the out of Africa migration which might have occurred some 60,000 to 95,000 years ago.
[above] The region in Africa where one can find the greatest level of mitochondrial diversity (green) and the region anthropologists postulated the most ancient division in the human population began to occur (light brown). The ancient metropolis in located in this latter (brown) region which also corresponds to the estimated age when the genetic changes suddenly happened.
Could this be a coincidence?
Ancient Sumerian history describes the ancient metropolis and its inhabitants!
I'll be honest with you. This next part of the story is difficult to write. It's so shocking that the average person will not want to believe it. If you are like me, you'll want to do the research yourself, then allow some time for the facts to settle in your mind.
We are often made to believe that the Egyptians -- the Pharoahs and pyramids -- are where our known history begins. The oldest dynasties go back some 3200 years BP. That's a long time ago. But the Sumerian civilization, in what is now Iraq, is much older. What's more, we have translated many of their history tablets, written in cuneiform and earlier scripts so we know a lot about their history and legends.
The seal image [above] depicts the legend of the "Great Flood" which consumed mankind. Many Sumerian legends are strikingly similar to Genesis. Like Genesis, the Sumerian legend, Atrahasis, tells the story of the creation of modern humans -- not by a loving God -- but by beings from another planet who needed "slave workers" to help them mine gold on their extra-planetary expedition!
I warned that this is difficult to believe, but please keep reading.
Who made the metropolis? Why?
This story, the Atrahasis, comes from an early Babylonian version of about 1700 BC, but it certainly dates back to Sumerian times. It combines familiar Sumerian motifs of the creation of mankind and the subsequent flood -- just like Genesis.
The story starts out with the "gods" -- beings from a planet called Nibiru -- digging ditches and mining for gold as part of an expeditionary team. Modern humans (homo sapiens) did not exist yet; only primitive hominids lived on Earth. There were two groups of "gods", the worker class and the ruling class (i.e. officers). The worker gods had built the infrastructure as well as toiled in the gold mines and, after thousands of years, the work was apparently too much for them.
The gods had to dig out the canals
Had to clear channels,
the lifelines of the land,
The gods dug out the Tigris river bed
And then they dug out the Euphrates. --(Dalley 9, Atrahasis)
After 3,600 years of this work, the gods finally begin to complain. They decide to go on strike, burning their tools and surrounding the chief god Enlil's "dwelling" (his temple). Enlil's vizier, Nusku, gets Enlil out of bed and alerts him to the angry mob outside. Enlil is scared. (His face is described as being "sallow as a tamarisk.") The vizier Nusku advises Enlil to summon the other great gods, especially Anu (sky-god) and Enki (the clever god of the fresh waters). Anu advises Enlil to ascertain who is the ringleader of the rebellion. They send Nusku out to ask the mob of gods who is their leader. The mob answers, "Every single one of us gods has declared war!" (Dalley 12, Atrahasis).
Since the upper-class gods now see that the work of the lower-class gods "was too hard," they decide to sacrifice one of the rebels for the good of all. They will take one god, kill him, and make mankind by mixing the god's flesh and blood with clay:
Belit-ili the womb-goddess is present,
Let the womb-goddess create offspring,
And let man bear the load of the gods! (Dalley 14-15, Atrahasis)
After Enki instructs them on purification rituals for the first, seventh and fifteenth of every month, the gods slaughter Geshtu-e, "a god who had intelligence" (his name means "ear" or "wisdom") and form mankind from his blood and some clay. After the birth goddess mixes the clay, all the gods troop by and spit on it. Then Enki and the womb-goddess take the clay into "the room of fate," where The womb-goddesses were assembled.
He [Enki] trod the clay in her presence;
She kept reciting an incantation,
For Enki, staying in her presence, made her recite it.
When she had finished her incantation,
She pinched off fourteen pieces of clay,
And set seven pieces on the right,
Seven on the left.
Between them she put down a mud brick. (Dalley 16, Atrahasis)
The creation of man seems to be described as a type of cloning and what we would today consider in vitro fertilization.
The result was a hybrid or "evolved human" with enhanced intellect who could perform the physical duties of the worker gods and also take care of the needs of all the gods.
We are told, in other texts, that the expedition came for gold and that great quantities were mined and shipped off the planet. The community in South Africa was called "Abzu" and was the prime location of the mining operation.
Since these events appear to coincide with the dates of "Mitochondrial Eve" (i.e. 150,000 to 250,000 BP) and appear to be located in the richest gold mining region on the planet (Abzu), some researchers are thinking that the Sumerian legends may, in fact, be based on historical events.
According to the same texts, once the mining expedition ended it was decided that the human population should be allowed to perish in a flood which was predicted by the atronomer of the "gods." Apparently, the cyclical passage of the home planet of the gods, Nibiru, was going to bring it close enough to the orbit of Earth that its gravity would cause the oceans to rise and flood the land, putting an end to the hybrid species -- homo sapiens.
According to the story, one of the "gods" had sympathy for a particular human, Zuisudra, and warned him to construct a boat to ride out the flood. This eventually became the basis for the story of Noah in the book of Genesis.
Did this really happen? The only other explanation is to imagine that the Sumerian legends, acknowledging life on other planets and human cloning, were extraordinary science-fiction. This in itself would be amazing. But we now have evidence that the mining city, Abzu, is real and that it existed in the same era as the sudden evolution of hominids to homo sapiens. Just think about it for a while.
If you would like to continue reading a bit more about these ancient Sumerian legends, please check out The Origins of the Devil on viewzone.com
AFTER THE COAST TO COAST BROADCAST (which I do not entirely agree with some coments, especially most of the "channeling" stuff...) I was intrigued though so I went looking with googlemap in that area and for some reasons I think I found some of these "ruins", I dont know, just let me know what you guys think..
Another Strange Mountain with Stones Around it:
Nuclear Testing / Ancient Nuclear Warfare?
Also in the Neighbourhood, Is This A Human Face
Another Version, Just To Be Sure... hehe
Yes, I was high.... How could I otherwise make such a thread
BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO FIND THIS STUFF INTERESTING.... THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF IT, IF YOU HAVE LISTENED TO THAT C2CAM BROADCAST... YOU KNOW HE TALKED ABOUT OTHER SIMILAIR RUINS IN AFRIC
Small Example, Zimbabwe-Masvingo-Great-Zimbabwe-Ruins:
http://gallery.hd.org/_c/places-and-sig ... O.jpg.html
MORE TO COME, FEEL FREE TO JOIN
Let me be the first to say that there is no way you will get the credit you deserve for gathering and utting all this together into once place...
That is a bummer.
And not enough people will read it.
That is a bummer as well.
But i will still say, that aside from Possibly Marduks Epic Saturn Thread..
This may be the best, most organized and comprehensive and complete post
ever made in the entire history of DTv.
and great thanks.
you did a great job gathering everything..and it looks good too.
(so i can excuse the stoned mountain faces..lol)
Dont forget to bump it every once in a while just to get it on that front page once ina while...gather a few more reads.....Well worth it.
Nobody will complain.
warløckmitbladderinfection wrote:blasphemous new gehenna inhabitant makes god sad...
Fight the War, Fuck the norm....
Dedication ---------------- Tenacity --------------------------- Volition
I will make sure to update it once in a while with some new pictures / articles on these and other ancient ruins inSouth Africa.... And I hope that when people have the time, to listen to the broadcast.... Seriously it's amazing... The guy is also talking a lot about the possible functions of the ruins, and the composition of the stones!
Which turns out to be a mixture of different metals that have extraordinary features like electromagnetic energy due to the Crystalisation of the Stones.. They even recorded several of these sounds that are being made by the structres while the wind blows at them. The tapings show that most of the frequencies of the sound are in the human spectrum of audio.... And as most of you know, Crystals have had and still have one of the biggest impacts in our lifes.... > Basicly every single technology that is linked with electromagnetic circuits are based upon quartz crystal, and there are a lot of other Crystals that have other "functions"... Sorry I don't want to write a big Rant about what I think, but I rather give some more information that you can look up for yourselfs, or do more research on.... what ever you like I will post some relevant stuff here every now and again so that the thread will stay alive... and Hopefully other people will participate as well, because believe me there is so much to find about these ancient structures and their "function" / purpose, their builders and so fort..
So check back every now and the if you find this stuff as fascinating as me, and maybe post some of your own findings as well!
Here some awsome information and pictures from the ancient structures that I mentioned in the last post on the end ( The Greater Zimbabwe)
Great Zimbabwe, view of southeast wall of Great Enclosure. (Randall MacIver, 1906)
* GREAT ZIMBABWE:
A little less than 30 kilometres beyond the southeastern town of Masvingo, meaning “rock structures”, are to be found some of the most remarkable and majestic manmade remains in Africa.
The ruins of Great Zimbabwe – or Dzimbahwe as they are known traditionally - are a unique testimony to the Bantu civilization of the Shona between the 11th and 15th centuries. A World Heritage site, these are the largest ruins in Africa, extending almost 1,800 acres. It is thought that the complex may have housed as many as 18,000 at its height. The name Zimbabwe comes from the Shona language, meaning “House of Stone” and is associated with leadership. Upon independence, Zimbabwe took this name for itself.
The ruins can be divided into three distinct architectural groupings, known as the Hill Complex, the Valley Complex and the Great Enclosure.
The Hill Complex is a series of residential and ceremonial enclosures, built atop a granite dome overlooking the rest of the site. The smaller Valley Complex is considered to be the last of the architectural undertakings, dating to the early fifteenth century.
The Great Enclosure is the largest single ancient structure south of the Sahara. The wall of the enclosure measures 244 metres in length, 10 metres high and is up to 5 metres deep. It is tapered to be narrowest at the top, indicating a level of sophistication in the architecture.
The impressive structures are built of granite blocks using a dry-stone technique without the use of mortar. Featuring an array of chevron, herringbone and many other intricate patterns, it is astonishing that the complex has endured for seven centuries.
Great mystery still surrounds the purpose of the site. When the Shona abandoned the site, sometime in the fifteenth century they left behind no written records. The choice of location is of particular intrigue as the area has poor soils and would only support large-scale agriculture with great difficulty. Speculation over the years has suggested that it might have been a religious centre or even the location of a huge deposit of gold. A more recent theory is that it was Africa’s version of Stonehenge, a giant observatory aligned with the stars.
Whatever the original purpose however, Great Zimbabwe went on to become the greatest trading city in southern Africa. Artefacts from as far away as China have been found by archaeologists, supporting the notion that the site was a great trading centre known to Arab and Chinese merchants.
There is probably no greater monument to the pre-colonial past of Sub-Saharan Africa than the ruins of Great Zimbabwe. A visit is essential for history lovers and for those who want to see some of the highlights of medieval Africa.
* Great Zimbabwe
Great Zimbabwe is the name given to the remains of a Southern African ancient city, which was once the centre of a vast empire known as the Munhumutapa Empire (also called Monomotapa Empire) covering the modern states of Zimbabwe and Mozambique. The state of Zimbabwe got its name from this ancient city. Zimbabwe, short form for "ziimba remabwe", is a Shona (dialect: chiKaranga) term, which means "the great or big house built of stones". Currently, the location of Great Zimbabwe is an archeological site having the remains of the ancient city in the present day nation of Zimbabwe. The site is also the country's national shrine where the Zimbabwe Bird (a national symbol of Zimbabwe) was found. http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclo ... _Zimbabwe/
Features of the ruins
In 1531, Vicente Pegado, Captain of the Portuguese Garrison of Sofala, described Zimbabwe thus:
“ Among the gold mines of the inland plains between the Limpopo and Zambezi rivers there is a fortress built of stones of marvelous size, and there appears to be no mortar joining them.... This edifice is almost surrounded by hills, upon which are others resembling it in the fashioning of stone and the absence of mortar, and one of them is a tower more than 12 fathoms [22 m] high. The natives of the country call these edifices Symbaoe, which according to their language signifies court. ”
The ruins form three distinct architectural groups. They are known as the Hill Complex, the Valley Complex and the Great Enclosure. The Hill Complex is the oldest, and was occupied from the ninth to thirteenth centuries. The Great Enclosure was occupied from the thirteenth to fifteenth centuries and the Valley Complex from the fourteenth to sixteenth centuries. Notable features of the Hill Complex include the Eastern Enclosure, in which it is thought the Zimbabwe Birds stood, a high balcony enclosure overlooking thae Eastern Enclosure, and a huge boulder in a shape similar to that of the Zimbabwe Bird. The Great Enclosure is composed of an inner wall, encircling a series of structures and a younger outer wall. The Conical Tower, 18 ft in diameter and 30 ft high, was constructed between the two walls. The Valley Complex is divided into the Upper and Lower Valley Ruins, with different periods of occupation.
The Valley Complex
Great Zimbabwe Ruins
There are different archaeological interpretations of these groupings. It has been suggested that the complexes represent the work of successive kings: some of the new rulers founded a new residence. The focus of power moved from the Hill Complex in the twelfth century, to the Great Enclosure, the Upper Valley and finally the Lower Valley in the early sixteenth century. The alternative "structuralist" interpretation holds that the different complexes had different functions: the Hill Complex as a temple, the Valley complex was for the citizens, and the Great Enclosure was used by the king. Structures that were more elaborate were probably built for the kings, although it has been argued that the dating of finds in the complexes does not support this interpretation. Some researchers claim that the ruins may have housed an astronomy observatory, although the significance of the alignments upon which these claims are based is contested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe 
REGARDING THE COMMENT FROM SVAHA, YOU ARE CORRECT... THERE IS STILL A HUGE RACIST ISSUE AMONG THIS WHOLE SUBJECT, BUT HOPEFULLY WE ALL KNOW BETTER: EXAMPLE OF THIS RACIST ISSUE >
Martin Hall writes that the history of Iron Age research south of the Zambezi shows the prevalent influence of colonial ideologies, both in the earliest speculations about the nature of the African past and in the adaptations that have been made to contemporary archeological methodologies. When European colonialists like Cecil Rhodes first saw the ruins, it was seen as a sign of the great riches that the area would yield to its new masters. When it was finally proven that the builders were Africans, the site was then characterized as "product of an infantile mind" built by a subjugated society. The Rhodesian government confirmed this condescending view and refused to accept that Great Zimbabwe could have been a product of internal processes, but rather had to be the result of outside stimulus. Thus the official line in colonial Rhodesia was that the structures were built by non-blacks. According to Paul Sinclair, interviewed for None But Ourselves: I was the archaeologist stationed at Great Zimbabwe. I was told by the then-director of the Museums and Monuments organization to be extremely careful about talking to the press about the origins of the [Great] Zimbabwe state. I was told that the museum service was in a difficult situation, that the government was pressurizing them to withhold the correct information. Censorship of guidebooks, museum displays, school textbooks, radio programes, newspapers and films was a daily occurrence. Once a member of the Museum Board of Trustees threatened me with losing my job if I said publicly that blacks had built Zimbabwe. He said it was okay to say the yellow people had built it, but I wasn't allowed to mention radio carbon dates... It was the first time since Germany in the thirties that archaeology has been so directly censored.
This suppression of archaeology culminated in the departure from the country of prominent archaeologists of Great Zimbabwe, including Peter Garlake, Senior Inspector of Monuments for Rhodesia, and Roger Summers of the National Museum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
Anyway... make of it what you want... we are all entitled to believe what we want ...... Back to the "important" issues at hand:
Riddle of Great Zimbabwe
Volume 51 Number 4, July/August 1998
by Roderick J. Mcintosh
Sometime in the early fourteenth century the people of Great Zimbabwe began building the Great Enclosure, completing the structure over the course of a century. Scattered remains of the Valley Complex, just north of the Great Enclosure, can be seen in the foreground. (David Coulson) (READ MORE > CLICK THE LINK! http://www.archaeology.org/9807/abstracts/africa.html <
NOW IT IS GETTING VERY INTERESTING AGAIN (In my opinion that is
ANCIENT ZIMBABWE AND THE LEMBA TRIBE
by David L. McNaughton (DLMcN@yahoo.com)
Based on correspondence sent to Scientific American commenting on their article "Great Zimbabwe" in November 1997. At first they ignored my attempt to make contact; eventually they replied saying "Your letter does not fit our editorial needs" - despite the fact that it was pointing out serious errors and omissions in their article! No response at all was received from the author (at the University of Zimbabwe).
Scattered round Zimbabwe are hundreds of ancient stone ruins. No cement or mortar was used in their construction, so the granite bricks had to be carefully shaped and trimmed so as to fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. Some walls were ten metres high; many incorporated chevron, herringbone or chequered patterns. The largest complex (which may have been a temple) is known as ‘Great Zimbabwe’. A set of steps leading into it constitutes a true work of art: each course curves out of the flanking walls into the entrance, with the penetration of the curves increasing as the steps are ascended.
Many theories have been proposed for the origin of those buildings - including some rather unlikely and exotic ones. Most contemporary historians believe that they were constructed by ancestors of the Shona (who form the majority tribe in modern-day Zimbabwe). It is indeed likely that at least some of the original Zimbabwean inhabitants were absorbed by Shona-speaking Bantu, particularly by their Makaranga branch (which occupies the area around ‘Great Zimbabwe’).
The likelihood of a Lemba connection
However, the Lemba of South Africa (around Messina in the extreme north) also claim responsibility for that old civilization. According to their traditions, their forefathers arrived in boats ‘from a distant country’ to extract Zimbabwe’s gold. (Lemba female ancestry was mostly of local African origin, however).
A few years ago, Tudor Parfitt and his colleagues at the University of London established a DNA match between the Lemba tribe and people in the Hadramaut region of the Yemen. Particularly surprising was the discovery that members of the most senior Lemba clan displayed the Cohen Modal Haplotype, which is a distinctive feature of Jewish priesthood. Furthermore, this genetic pattern is carried by the Y-chromosome, so it is passed through the male line.
This new evidence justifies reopening the question of who really did erect those prehistoric Zimbabwean structures. Several indicators support the Lemba story. They still bury their dead in an extended position, just like the ancient Zimbabweans did: this contrasts with the "crouched" posture adopted by other Bantu. Also, according to H.A. Junod, other tribes regard the Lemba as the originators and masters of the art of circumcision - which is significant because the stone phallic symbols which were found in Zimbabwean ruins, definitely represented circumcised organs.
Until quite recently, the Lemba had a propensity for building in stone - in Zimbabwean style, without cement. In addition, their mining skills and metalwork were far superior to those of surrounding tribes - using copper, which was available in their area. This aptitude could well have been inherited from the gold miners and smelters of ancient Zimbabwe. (But - not surprisingly - even as early as the 18th century, Lemba workmanship could not match the standards displayed by the buildings and gold ornaments found at ‘Great Zimbabwe’).
Cotton was apparently woven and utilised in ancient Zimbabwe - judging by spindle whorls discovered in stone ruins, and the fact that cotton trees seem to have been planted nearby. Thus, it is relevant to note that Lemba men used to wear long cotton garments, unlike members of neighbouring Bantu tribes.
The Lemba language is similar to the one still spoken today in the Zimbabwean province surrounding the 'temple' and main fortress.
Apart from their Zimbabwean links, the Lemba differ in several ways from other Bantu. Many Lemba possess aquiline noses and narrow, non-negroid lips. Some of their words and clan-names seem to confirm a Semitic connection, e.g. Sadiki, Hasane, Hamisi, Haji, Bakeri, Sharifo and Saidi (which is their word for “master”). They still refuse to eat pork, rabbit, hare, carrion and scaleless fish, exactly as laid down in Leviticus chapter 11. When preparing meat for consumption, they always kill in the “kosher” manner by bleeding. The Lemba also have a distinctive New Moon ceremony.
There has been extensive debate as to when the ancient Zimbabwean culture must have flourished. According to descriptions by de Barros and other Portuguese explorers, the temples and forts were considered to be ‘extremely old’ even as early as the mid-16th century AD. In the 10th century, Masudi and Ibn Al Wardy wrote of gold being exported through the Arab trading post at Sofala - which lies on the coast just east of Great Zimbabwe. Earlier, the Alexandrian merchant Cosmas Indicopleustes (in his Topographia Christiana, 6th century AD) mentioned regular expeditions from Ethiopia to obtain gold ‘from a country where winter occurred during Northern Hemisphere summer’.
The Sabaeans of southern Arabia
Thus, although the granite temples had probably not yet been constructed, it is by no means inconceivable that south-east Africa was the ultimate source of the Sabaean gold wealth cited by Pliny the Elder in about 70 AD in Naturalis Historia VI, and in the Bible (see I Kings chapter 10). Zanzibar and the East African coast were certainly part of the Sabaean empire, and excursions even further south were well within the ability of the ship-builders and mariners of that era, taking advantage of the changing wind-patterns along the coast.
It is worth noting that the Sabaeans used to follow a Judaistic religion - which included circumcision. They were also skilled water engineers who had developed an extensive terraced agricultural system - just like the inhabitants of prehistoric Zimbabwe. Furthermore, elliptical unroofed dry-stone temples constructed at Sirwah and Marib in the Yemen are in some ways comparable with those found in Zimbabwe.
There is still insufficient evidence to be dogmatic about the origin of the ancient Zimbabwean civilization, but a Semitic connection does at least seem plausible.
A fuller account (including more detailed references) appears at: http://www.dlmcn.com/anczimb.html
MORE TO COME..... THIS THREAD IS FAR FROM OVER :mrgreen:
newearthman wrote:Great Job All this info lately is making my head spin...it's getting harder to focus on so called "reality".
Reality is what you make of it dude .... You are the master who makes the grass green Just see all these things that fall outside of convetinal acceptation as possible explenations for things who nobody understands anyhow > wether they say they do or not....
Nothing can be proven nor disproven, that is how it is always was and perhaps always shall be in my opinion > like I say perhaps, that is my magic word that keeps me right here on this world > I use MAYBELOGIC, instead of Arestotelian way of thinking (which means everything is either Yes or No) with other words, Western philosophy / thinking.
Just think about it, and search for Robert Anton Wilson - Maybe Logic, or Quantum Psychology... Makes things a lot easier to deal with!
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