The Conservative Crusade For Christian Sharia Law

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PostWed Feb 19, 2014 11:01 pm » by Giovanni


It’s not just the fringe anymore. Mainstream conservatives are trying to bring America’s laws into agreement with ‘God’s law.’

The question isn’t: Will conservatives push to enact laws based on the Bible? We are way beyond that. The real questions are: 1. How many more of these laws do they want to impose? And, 2. What will our nation look like if their crusade is successful to bring America’s laws into agreement with “God’s law”?

To some on the right, America is a “Christian nation”—like Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation—meaning that our nation’s laws should be based on their religious text. These forces aren’t moved by Thomas Jefferson’s famous letter in which he spoke of the need to create, "a wall of separation between church and state.” Nor will they be swayed by citing Ronald Reagan’s words, "Church and state are, and must remain, separate.”

Just last week we saw another example of creeping Christian Sharia Law with a bill passed by Kansas’ House of Representatives that would allow people and businesses to deny services to same sex couples if it violated their “religious beliefs.” This proposed law would in essence legally sanction discrimination against gay Americans because same sex marriage is not approved by the Bible. Similar bills are pending in other State's including Mississippi, Idaho, and Arizona.

And in the past few years, we have seen pro-life Christian groups successfully lobby State legislatures to restrict access to abortions. They have also raised religious, not public policy, objections to the government funding birth control.

But here’s the alarming thing: These views are no longer the fringe of American politics. They are increasingly become mainstream conservative fare.

We saw that in 2012 when Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum declared his belief that the laws in our country must “comport” with God’s law. Santorum also argued in opposition to marriage equality, that our nation’s values “are based on Biblical truth… And, those truths don’t change just because people’s attitudes may change.”

And former Governor Mike Huckabee, who is considering running for president in 2016, proclaimed during his 2008 presidential race that our laws should be in accordance with God’s. In fact, Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, went as far as to say: “…I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than trying to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view…”

Does Huckabee have a shot at winning in 2016? Well, recent polls show he’s currently the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination.

Since we can’t talk the Huckabees and Santorums out of their views, then we should take a look at some of the more concerning passages from the Bible in case they truly mean it when they say our laws should be revised to agree with God’s law:

1. If a woman is found not to be a virgin on her wedding night, “she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.” Deuteronomy 22:20-21

2. “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.” 1 Timothy 2:10-13.

3. “If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.” Leviticus 20:10 (Unlikely conservatives will push for this law because with it would mean too many politicians would be put to death.)

4. “Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.” Leviticus 20:9

5. “For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of Sabbath rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.” Exodus 35:2

Sure, some will say Huckabee, Santorum, and their supports don’t want to impose laws based on these extreme verses. Actually recent history tells us a different story. With each success the right has seen, they have become more embolden and pushed for even more radical laws.

For example, not too long ago mainstream abortion opponents did not object to abortions in the case when a woman was raped. But in light of their recent success in restricting abortions, mainstream conservatives now advocate a stricter version of “God’s law” with no abortion exceptions—meaning that women would be sentenced to carrying a rapist’s child to term.

In upcoming elections, we need to ask any candidate who cites the Bible as the rationale for their political position specifically how far do they intend to take that. At least then we won’t be surprised when they push to pass laws to silence women or stone women to death who aren’t virgins on their wedding night.

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PostThu Feb 20, 2014 12:35 am » by 99socks


I can't speak about how much of the Constitution is in effect anymore... But thank God we still somewhat resemble a Republic and not a democracy!
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PostThu Feb 20, 2014 12:54 am » by Shemagh


99socks wrote:I can't speak about how much of the Constitution is in effect anymore... But thank God we still somewhat resemble a Republic and not a democracy!



Jesus Socks. you just said a mouthful there girl!! :)

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PostThu Feb 20, 2014 4:33 pm » by 99socks


Shemagh wrote:
99socks wrote:I can't speak about how much of the Constitution is in effect anymore... But thank God we still somewhat resemble a Republic and not a democracy!



Jesus Socks. you just said a mouthful there girl!! :)




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PostFri Feb 21, 2014 9:41 am » by OtheklzeR


AS a CHRISTIAN I have alot to add, but a point is never made in a long post

secular violations of chritians rights transpire without notice

say school teachers aborting grand children without parental notice

or giving questonable live viral innoculations to children without
notice or concent.

putting children in the custody of Child Protection Services for
not allowing thier children to be indoctrinated in sexual education.

DEFENDING A CHRISTIANS RIGHT TO FREEDOM dosent take your
freedom away , unless your goal is to erradicate christians, thier influence
and ultimatly thier lives. An agenda that grows with each day
as we pass into the tribulational period and world war three starts

REMEMBER IF A CHRISTIAN HAS A RIGHT NOT TO TAKE THE MARK OF THE
BEAST (ECCONIMIC WORLD EMPIRE=BEAST ), HE also preserves that right
for you should you ever want it or need it. and if you don't you are not
harmed

we call that position WIN,WIN :hugging:

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PostFri Feb 21, 2014 2:37 pm » by Tuor10


I would much prefer to live in a secular country.

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PostFri Feb 21, 2014 3:40 pm » by Pateriot


I have n problem with communities, states, or governments enacting laws that reflect the values of their citizens... as they aren't in conflict with the US Constitution. If these communities have values that are in line with Conservative Christianity one would expect their laws on decency, public nudity, foul language, public behavior, and everything else to reflect this. Not too many years ago there was a Dutch Reformed area of Western Michigan that banned the sale of all alcohol on Sundays and where EVERYTHING, including McDonalds closed on Sundays. Very recently, where I live, you could not purchase alcohol until noon on Sundays. There are still areas of the country that are "dry", where alcohol sales are completely banned.

On the other end of the scale one need only look to San Francisco or other Liberal enclaves to see open hedonism as both acceptable and legal. Laws do, and should reflect the values of those living under them. As the demographics and values of the areas change, so do their laws.

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PostFri Feb 21, 2014 5:01 pm » by 99socks


Anyone in America can live under law they'd like. If you and your community doesn't think abortion or birth control or alcohol on Sundays isn't right, then don't use birth control, don't have an abortion, and don't drink alcohol on Sundays (I fail to see the difference what day of the week it is purchased?).

Capitalism will respond by making sales of these things unprofitable in those areas, and if a community is really that saturated with believers, they will all go out of business.

As for the State overstepping its limit and causing problems for Christians who don't want their children in the school sex ed program (of which there is a large variety), then yes, Christians should be able to opt-out- just like they should be able to OPT OUT of evolution in science class (but not mandate that it be replaced with creationism). I agree with Otheklzer that in these situations, protecting "Christian" rights is synonymous with protecting everyone's rights.

The separation of church and state is to keep the government out of religion, and religion out of the government.

Religion in this country is a private affair- the public "majority" culture does not support or fall in line with many religious ideals. If there is a small town with one church that every in town goes to, then yeah, the public culture in that town may be different- but that is by the peoples' choice, not by government enforcement. I don't see how it is acceptable for a locale to create excessive laws regarding public behavior that go above and beyond the US majority public standard in a Christian neighborhood, just like I don't think it's ok for the Muslims in Dearborn to demand the city make laws to enforce women wearing headscarves on public property.

Now, I understand that groups like the Catholic Church are all up in arms about mandatory birth control coverage for the health insurance they provide to employees of their schools, universities, etc... I don't see a way around this problem, because no matter what, the RCC doesn't want to be at the "enabling" end of this deal- whether by providing it through its own insurance, or by putting in funds for employees who use an outside insurance provider. But then again, who in the hell is the RCC to decide to withhold benefits from someone, based on its own beliefs? This is now, using a private organization to do the enforcing of a religious ideal in the public sphere that even the government cannot do! People argue that if someone doesn't want to be held back by the RCC, then maybe they shouldn't work there- but we can just as easily say that if the RCC doesn't want to play by the public rules in public, then it should get out of the public sphere entirely!
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PostFri Feb 21, 2014 5:25 pm » by Cosmine


Leviticus 27
‘However, a man shall not consecrate a firstborn among livestock, which belongs as firstborn to Yahweh; whether an ox or[bb] small livestock, it is for Yahweh. 27 And if it is among the unclean animals, then[bc] he shall ransom it according to your proper value, and he shall add a fifth of its value onto it; and if it is not redeemed, then[bd] it shall be sold according to your proper value. 28 However, anything devoted[be] that a man has devoted to Yahweh from all that he has,[bf] from human or[bg] animal, or[bh] from the field of his property, may not be sold, and it may not be redeemed; anything devoted is a most holy thing[bi] for Yahweh. 29 Anyone devoted who is devoted from human beings[bj] cannot be ransomed—he shall surely be put to death.

אַ־כָּל־חֵרֶם אֲשֶׁר יַחֲרִם אִישׁ לַיהוָה מִכָּל־אֲשֶׁר־לוֹ מֵאָדָם וּבְהֵמָה וּמִשְּׂדֵה אֲחֻזָּתוֹ לֹא יִמָּכֵר וְלֹא יִגָּאֵל כָּל־חֵרֶם קֹדֶשׁ־קָדָשִׁים הוּא לַיהוָ



27:28 Notwithstanding no devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto Yähwè of all

that he hath, [both] of man and beast, and of the field of his possession, shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing [is] most holy unto Yähwè

כָּל־חֵרֶם אֲשֶׁר יָחֳרַם מִן־הָאָדָם לֹא יִפָּדֶה מוֹת יוּמָת

 27:29 Käl-chërem ásher yächóram min-häädäm lo yiPädeh môt yûmät

 27:29 None devoted, which shall be devoted of men,shall be redeemed; [but] shall surely be put to death.





The Bible was used to justify... slavery... :look: :rtft: :bang;




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