The death of DTV.

Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:57 am » by **Iamthatiam**

troll2rocks wrote:
iamthatiam wrote:http://www.disclose.tv/forum/apologies-all-round-t62313.html

More info here to those who know to read "between the lines"...

To those who don't...

Gute Nacht!

I know how to read between the lines, however from my understanding, there has been no disclosing that Eve is a fake ?. There has been no hinting that it is a hoax by Eve (it has been played straight, as far as I know) Now if the computer she is using is the same as her husband used to use, then that would be the same IP, I saw reference to a birth date on her profile being the same as alreadydeads ? Well that is not proof in and of itself, is it ?.

Do you think this is a slow transition into another persona by the same person ? From male to female ? Making the name of the previous persona have a deeper meaning ?. Substituting Eve for Steve, so that Eve could get sympathy for Steve who is actually Eve while others grieve, but he actually has a card up his sleeve ?.

All I know is, I am a very perceptive person, and from what I saw and read both in posts and responses lead me to believe this is actually genuine, I mean why would anyone do that (playing it straight ?). If this was a hoax ? Would the joke not have worn thin, after say, the second page of the original thread ?. Making everything else that follows a grave error for a poster that is one of the original members.

Can I tell you that you are wrong ? No, but if you are, what then ?. A sorry would not be quite enough to make up for an upset like that. Whereas, the other way around is not really important, so long as everyone is okay ?. I mean we are all under pseudonyms on here ? And if it does indeed boil down to a clever transition from one persona to another, what does it matter ? It is only a forum, but the opposite is real world based, and that is where true feelings are found.

T2R, it seems that you covered all aspects of this subject, saving for one: Your concerns about the members of this site being Bullshitted! From this point, if any exists to you at all, rethink the whole event from the beginning, having in mind that each individual has one value system, a completely different network of motifs, and the correspondent unfolding backgrounds. That which is nonsensical to you, will most likely not be to many individuals.

Never underestimate those premises :flop:

Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:18 am » by **Troll2rocks**

iamthatiam wrote:
troll2rocks wrote:
iamthatiam wrote:http://www.disclose.tv/forum/apologies-all-round-t62313.html

More info here to those who know to read "between the lines"...

To those who don't...

Gute Nacht!

I know how to read between the lines, however from my understanding, there has been no disclosing that Eve is a fake ?. There has been no hinting that it is a hoax by Eve (it has been played straight, as far as I know) Now if the computer she is using is the same as her husband used to use, then that would be the same IP, I saw reference to a birth date on her profile being the same as alreadydeads ? Well that is not proof in and of itself, is it ?.

Do you think this is a slow transition into another persona by the same person ? From male to female ? Making the name of the previous persona have a deeper meaning ?. Substituting Eve for Steve, so that Eve could get sympathy for Steve who is actually Eve while others grieve, but he actually has a card up his sleeve ?.

All I know is, I am a very perceptive person, and from what I saw and read both in posts and responses lead me to believe this is actually genuine, I mean why would anyone do that (playing it straight ?). If this was a hoax ? Would the joke not have worn thin, after say, the second page of the original thread ?. Making everything else that follows a grave error for a poster that is one of the original members.

Can I tell you that you are wrong ? No, but if you are, what then ?. A sorry would not be quite enough to make up for an upset like that. Whereas, the other way around is not really important, so long as everyone is okay ?. I mean we are all under pseudonyms on here ? And if it does indeed boil down to a clever transition from one persona to another, what does it matter ? It is only a forum, but the opposite is real world based, and that is where true feelings are found.

T2R, it seems that you covered all aspects of this subject, saving for one: You concerns about the members of this site being Bullshitted! From this point, if any exists to you at all, rethink the whole event from the beginning, having in mind that each individual has one value system, a completely different network of motifs, and the correspondent unfolding backgrounds. That which is nonsensical to you, will most likely not be to many individuals.

Never underestimate those premises

No, that is duly noted, and understood, but what harm has it done to anyone, in reality ?. I mean other than perhaps making someone go "well that was uncalled for", then move on. The opposite, should you be wrong, is far worse, is it not ?.

Weigh up the possible hurt caused, and how much would be felt by either scenario.

On one hand many might go, well that was wrong, possibly make a few posts of disapproval and then move on without it doing any deep or lasting hurt.

The other could well be a very hurtful and painful experience for a singular member who has just gone through a life altering event only to be met by more pain from people she turned to.

Which is the greater ?.

To me it is a matter being respectful to someone going through a very bad time. going on all available information. I have been through tragedy more than my fair share. It is a truly dark time. So I would like to think that nobody would play a scenario such as that as a hoax, and indeed play it straight faced.

I mean if it is a hoax, all people have to do is stay quiet, and let it unfold and await its outcome then speak up, to do so now (and possibly be wrong) would not only cause more pain and hurt it would also not be a very nice feeling for the person doing it.

I mean all you win if you are indeed correct on here, is a possible " :clapper:

" icon. However if you are wrong, you could be helping in doing serious hurt to someone in a very difficult time.

That is just my two cents anyway, after having undergone many tragedies like this, I can only reply from my own perspective on this subject, and it would hurt me.

If I am wrong then that is fair enough, but my reasons for being so are justified.

So until I see conclusive proof of a deception.

Eve will have my condolences and Alreadydead will be missed and remembered.

:cheers:

Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:59 pm » by **Iamthatiam**

Look T2R, the sequence of events that culminated on me calling this out as a lure is too personal to be fully described here, which if I do, I will be offering everything I'v been through, over the "Scrutiny Plate". Wouldn't the same be true to someone 'crying' for attention inside a community, despite of the reasons? What is that so 'morally transgressive' on questioning everything related with some deceased one ? As from where I see, the 'Steve' one is on the other side giving much of a shite about what is unfolding here...Sorry but this sounds more like a taboo of a sort than anything else, which coming from you is a oxymoron...Unless, you also believe on the spiritual implications, at your own degree of understanding, and having this as a basis it will make far easier to explain the complex and intricate 'invisible' aspect of this whole event.

This is not about the 'virtuality' of this whole episode, as you clearly expressed your concerns about it's implications, eloquently stating that the opposite would be worse, however, in face of what I know and what I seeing here, I'm definitely not sure, and that's why I'm here insisting on having at least one little burial notice/document scanned, or whatever evidence that could be presented for this community to me to be checking through my own means. You are probably thinking this to be a absurd behavior in face of such harmless implication to the members of this board, sorry but you are wrong on this one, T2R. You see, the world is filled with matter visible and invisible to the ones living inside this so called 'reality', and the main aspect of this problem to me is what is 'undergoing' through this whole episode. When someone is emotionally connected with any one given episode/event, many other aspects of the individual connected will follow, creating a magnetic 'bond' between him/her and the said occurrence/individual, which in this case I believe to be a disturbed mind unaware of the implications caused, being so, the ones emotionally and mentally involved would be giving themselves in, through certain magnetic attachments, into something that could be described as 'vampirism'...This is not a permanent bondage, of course, but it is something considerable depending on the level of involvement, which could end up on the individual 'dragged' into, and innocently caught by this whole event, suffering sudden and/or mysterious illnesses in the case of this said individual not being able of 'dealing' with the 'invisible' aspects of this existence!

Believe it or not, this comes from tons of experiences, personal, and third part testimonial :flop:

There is another important point here, which I also mentioned previously many times, including here inside this reply...'Eve' was the one seeking for whatever, not otherwise, so it's up to him/her the onus of producing evidence, which I solemnly believe to be more than fair in face of the stated implications, besides of the moral ones. You said that the other side would be worse, the one supposing this whole to be true, which I reply saying, what harm would make to someone allegedly saying the truth to produce some evidence, BEFORE dragging an entire community into this personal event, if it was her/him who firstly came up with this story amongst people full of love and good will??? No, Troll....This is that which would be considered by me an unacceptable abuse, from the way I see things, and that's why I'm here as a member of this board demanding more proof before stepping aside! And only a Moderator could prevent me from questioning...What IAM doing, before my own judgement!!!

troll2rocks wrote: all people have to do is stay quiet, and let it unfold and await its outcome

It will most likely, never unfold by Itself! :flop:

troll2rocks wrote:I mean all you win if you are indeed correct on here, is a possible " " icon. However if you are wrong, you could be helping in doing serious hurt to someone in a very difficult time.

Why can't you understand that to me it isn't about winning or losing, it's a matter of Justice and Balance....

Like I said, s/he is/was the one coming up with this....his/her onus and burden to be proving me wrong, which only corroborates that it isn't about winning, otherwise I would never be taking such risk. Besides, what harm someone saying the truth could be suffering, specially from this 'virtual' medium? 8-)

Again, I said I will step aside, with a clean conscience on doing what my mind and heart dictates!!! Someone have to have courage and take responsibility for being right or wrong in the pursuing of truth, whatever the cost, as there are more at stake inside these situations, whether being microcosmically or macrocosmically speaking...otherwise the targeted status quo would never be transposed...Someone must have the will to endure and bear this level of pressure and heat...And trust me when I say that there are many others willingly making this level of difference. :flop:

There is far more than meets the eye behind this 'MEDIUM' my friend, besides of a bunch of electrical impulses...If you are unaware of, the whole universe (visible and invisible) could be considered as just a bunch of electrical impulses and bits of informations, basically!

Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:31 pm » by **Demobe**

What's So Special About Eve?

If I Was To Be BAnned From DTv Nobody Will Ever Miss Me, Thats The Truth,So Fucking What, PPl Come And Go Thats How It Is.

Why Can't She Get More Active Or Post Something, That She Find Interesting, Inside She Complain about How Bad Dtv Is,Blaza Blaza,

ahh For Me This Sound Like Attention H

If You Wanna Change Something, Do Something About It, or Shut The Fuck Up And Leave This Place,

And You Are Absolutely Right Eve, This Place Is Becoming Like FaceBook Thank You :bang;

Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:40 pm » by **Iamthatiam**

demobe wrote:What's So Special About Eve?

Why Can't She Get More Active Or Post Something, That She Find Interesting, Inside She Complain about How Bad Dtv Is,Blaza Blaza,

ahh For Me This Sound Like Attention H

If You Wanna Change Something, Do Something About It, or Shut The Fuck Up And Leave This Place,

And You Are Absolutely Right Eve, This Place Is Becoming Like FaceBook Thank You

Mobe

Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:56 am » by **Iamthatiam**

evemedusa2 wrote:Thank you - you have shown you are human.

I am quite drunk now and crying.

I miss my hubby.......................................Sorry, if my replies are a little strange.

I will have to bury him and that fills me with dread.

To see such love buried beneath the soil............I thank God, that I believe.

Eve. (who is really so drunk, that I best book off and sleep some........)

Yeah, hehe, look how you were trying to make this reply appears to be "a little strange", like you said, pretentiously I must add, as you diagrammed this whole statement to be aesthetically looking like a drunken's statement, however you forget to be 'committing' a few 'grammar mistakes', to give to this farse more substance...Remember 'Eve'..The Devil is always in the DETAILS!!! You didn't missed nor even a single dot, besides of be reasoning enough to be writing your last sentence inside round brackets :look:

The hell you were drunk when you wrote these lines, on the contrary, you were very sober....If this whole deception can be called sobriety at all, you should be acting or professionally writing :clapper:

So far, zero evidence...nill, zip...Nicht, NIENTE!!! :top:

You were the one calling this out, yours is the burden of evidence!

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:02 am » by **Fatdogmendoza**

iamthatiam wrote:
evemedusa2 wrote:Thank you - you have shown you are human.

I am quite drunk now and crying.

I miss my hubby.......................................Sorry, if my replies are a little strange.

I will have to bury him and that fills me with dread.

To see such love buried beneath the soil............I thank God, that I believe.

Eve. (who is really so drunk, that I best book off and sleep some........)

Yeah, hehe, look how you were trying to make this reply appears to be "a little strange", like you said, pretentiously I must add, as you diagrammed this whole statement to be aesthetically looking like a drunken's statement, however you forget to be 'committing' a few 'grammar mistakes', to give to this farse more substance...Remember 'Eve'..The Devil is always in the DETAILS!!! You didn't missed nor even a single dot, besides of be reasoning enough to be writing your last sentence inside round brackets

The hell you were drunk when you wrote these lines, on the contrary, you were very sober....If this whole deception can be called sobriety at all, you should be acting or professionally writing

So far, zero evidence...nill, zip...Nicht, NIENTE!!!

You were the one calling this out, yours is the burden of evidence!

I remember what my brother in law once said... he was a clinical psychologist now strangely a social worker.. He said 'it becomes painfully obvious when one person tries to become two people then tries to revert back to being one, the devil is always in the detail'

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:09 am » by **Aragajag**

This thread is beyond a joke. I do think ARD passed and people do and say strange things in grief but its the net and one can never be 100% on anything.
I am going to lock this because it serves no purpose at all.
If she lying how does that affect anyone, come on, really?
If she is telling the truth then she has been tormented by people in a time of great need.