The Giants Lost in History

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PostFri Aug 10, 2012 4:25 am » by Vulcanic


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PostMon Aug 13, 2012 12:27 am » by Sumerianrythum


The best explanations for the giants, etc., is in a book from 400ad by St Augustine of Hippo. The book is called the City of God, I am trying to get my copy sent to me from storage. Anyway, it explains a lot.

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PostMon Aug 13, 2012 5:15 pm » by Dagnamski


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PostSun Aug 19, 2012 8:36 pm » by Vulcanic


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PostSun Aug 19, 2012 8:38 pm » by Vulcanic


Sumerianrythum wrote:The best explanations for the giants, etc., is in a book from 400ad by St Augustine of Hippo. The book is called the City of God, I am trying to get my copy sent to me from storage. Anyway, it explains a lot.


sounds very interesting, I would love to know more about it myself, if you get it please post up some stuff if you can:) :flop:
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PostSun Aug 19, 2012 9:17 pm » by Harbin


http://www.episcopalnet.org/READINGS/CityOfGod/Bk15/index.html

Chapter 15 of the City of God, has wordy explanations of Giants. :look:
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PostSun Aug 19, 2012 9:42 pm » by Swissbrit


There Were Giants in Those Days

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4

In this section we take a look at some of the still available evidence that men of giant stature�even larger and more robust than �Neanderthal� man existed in the past. It�s not an area that evolutionists really deal with at all. In fact, science barely acknowledges that these giant footprints in rock or very large human bones even exist. It (very large, modern man) certainly does not fit in with evolutionary theory.

Christians generally believe that there were apes and there were men in the past. Evolutionists are not willing to accept that there existed in the past giant versions of modern man because there is no evolutionary explanation for their existence, just as there is no real attempt to explain giant versions of modern day animals.

(Left to Right, 6 foot Male, Goliath, "Gigantopithecus" and in comparison, Og, King of Bashan)

On the other hand, those who believe that God created the world know that according to the Bible, men of giant stature once walked the earth. The Bible quite matter-of-factly states that there were giants in those days (before the flood) and also after.

A Christian, believing as he does that Goliath actually existed, does not need to be concerned with the confused state of anthropology and its controversies, he might wonder if evidence of these races and countries of giant men have been found? The answer, without having to sort ape from proto-ape and alleged proto-human is yes..as we will continue to see.

Finally, before begin looking at some of the evidence that giants actually lived, we want to point out one glaring, obvious fake story prevalent on the net: The Kossuth Giants.

What the Bible Says About Giants

2 Samuel 21
In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot--twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha. When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of Shimeah, David's brother, killed him.
Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deuteronomy 2:11
Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deuteronomy 3:13
And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Modern Polydactly

Click and drag photo to resize. Script from The Java Script Source

(Photo: an example of polydactly and a minor case of double rowed teeth)As we will see in looking at these snippets of evidence, six fingers and/or six toes and double rows of teeth are characteristics often associated with giants.

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Click and drag photo to resize. Script from The Java Script Source

(Photos from Last Refuge.com)

"Near Braytown, on the headwaters of the Tennessee river, were found some remarkable footprints impressed in what is now solid rock. The tracks included those of a human heel ball thirteen inches wide!" The marks clearly showed that the fellow whose stride in that distant day turned to stone had six toes on each foot. Source: Stranger Than Science, by Frank Edwards

Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead [was] a bedstead of iron; [is] it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits [was] the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

It doesn't make a big deal about them--no theological points about them except that God's people could defeat anyone.

Scripture states that Goliath was about 9 feet tall. Og, King of Bashan described above was thought to have been taller; his bed needed to be made of iron and was about 15 feet by 6 to 7 feet wide (literally, king sized). He was thought to be 10 to 12 feet tall and proportionate. A cubit is conservatively estimated to be approximately 20 inches.

The State of the Science

This giant skull, embedded in solid rock, presents several problems for materialists.

"And it may seem harmless to you now that its been exposed. But, did you know that over 500 people obtained their PhD's by writing their thesis on "the Piltdown Man"? I dare say, no one took back those PhDs after it was exposed, and those people taught hundreds of thousands of people." Wyatt, Newletter Five

In 1982 Dr. Lyall Watson stated: "The fossils that decorate our family tree are so scarce that there are still more scientists than specimens. The remarkable fact is that all of the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed, with room to spare, inside a single coffin!"

Likewise, a 1994 article in Time Magazine admitted that: "Yet despite more than a century of digging, the fossil record remains maddeningly sparse. With so few clues, even a single bone that doesn't fit into the picture can upset everything. Virtually every major discovery has put deep cracks in the conventional wisdom and forced scientists to concoct new theories, amid furious debate."

Prior to more recent developments of techniques for dating by means of radioactive materials, there were fundamentally only two methods of estimating the age of a fossil. The first was the geological level at which the specimen was found.

The second, applying more particularly to human fossils, was the general appearance: whether apish and "primitive," or essentially like modern man. These two criteria are still largely applied, since the majority of the more ancient remains of early man are completely fossilized and C-14 methods of dating cannot be used.

But it has long been recognized that if the fossil remains of early man are arranged according to their degree of primitiveness, the order will be found to contradict the series arranged on the basis of antiquity as established by the levels at which they are found."

GIGANTOPITHECUS" & "MEGANTHROPUS"

There is no controversy about these facts; there was a race or group of people found in Australia called "meganthropus" by anthropologists. These people were of very large size--estimated between 7 to 12 feet tall, depending on what source you read.

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These people were found with mega tool artifacts, so their humaness is difficult to question. Four jaw fragments and thousands of teeth have been found in China of "gigantopithecus blacki"--named after the discover. Based on the size of the teeth and deep jaws, its size has been estimated at around 10 feet and as tall as 12 feet, 1200 pounds. (Photo:Giant human femur reportedly found in Turkey)

The "problem" is that human fossils are the rarest of all, and generally, only the hardest bones, jaws, teeth and skulls survive. As with most "early man" artistic recreations, a great deal of the individual is surmised.

The question is, is gigantopithecus a man or an ape? I personally have no opinion, but it is clear that very large men did live once. Scientists are of course afraid of being ridiculed and rather than estimate the size of the individuals possessing larger skulls and teeth than "us", they prefer to use the term robust.

Anthropologists spend quite a bit of time trying to decide what is an ape, what is a man, who they believe descended from who and the like. Now, most consider gigantopithecus an ape,(its more convenient to the theory of evol) but the co-discover at least, and many others still see no difference between the teeth and jaws of Giganto than other so-called ancestors.

As we said, everyone believes that meganthropus with his mega-tools was a "man". Tools have been found in the same area as giganto as well, but the tendency has been to associate them with other "types' found at the same location.

MEGANTHROPUS

A comparison of the megatools from the six occupation sites soon showed considerable stylisation in the hand-axes, knives, adzes and other tools, forming two distinct tool-type culture periods. These have since been named the "Late" and "Early Phase", the "Early Phase" being the oldest and most primitive, the "Late Phase" showing more advanced styles of workmanship. ...the strata in which the "Early Phase" tools are found date from around 60,000 back to 180,000 years BP.

This is an example of a Mega Tool, over eighteen inches high. From an article by Scott Corrales. Another example of a mega tool is an ancient 37 lb copper axe (not pictured)

Aboriginal occupation of the Bathurst region itself dates back at least 50,000 years, so it is obvious that Aborigines lived side by side with the megatool people.....Rex Gilroy's Mysterious Australia

In this Photo below: on the top left is one of the skulls biologists have labeled Australopithecines. On the right Meganthropus. Bottom left is a modern man in scale along with a chimpanzee skull.

Giant stone-age man stone artefacts (implements) have been found in Central Western NSW Southern & far Northern Qld. These implements consist of hand axes, clubs, pounders, adzes, knives & other tools often ranging in weight from 8 to 36 lbs or more.

These artifacts are in fact identical to those used by meganthropus the giant Java man who inhabited SE Asia over a "million years ago", Meganthropus stood 12 feet tall & weighed several hundred pounds...AWARENESS QUEST

Early in this century some unusually large human teeth and jawbones turned up, ones so large that their owner's size has been estimated at six to nine feet tall. Those found in Europe were named Meganthropus, those found in south China and Java became known as Gigantopithecus. (see Photo: Meganthropus teeth on left modern man on right)

If one believes the Biblical account, their presence is no mystery, since giants are mentioned as living before the Flood (Gen. 6:4).The Truth About "Cave Men"

ADDITIONAL REFERENCES:

Early Human Occupation of Northern Australia...

The Evolutionary Faith

Implications of New Fossil Material....


Source http://www.s8int.com/giants1.html

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PostSun Aug 19, 2012 10:37 pm » by DmoniX_The_Destroyer


Great post! One thing about Giants as a whole... Some people believe there is a "cover up" about this part of our "human" history. If there ever had been a race of giants, you would think there'd be some physical proof as far as remains would go. Now I know there's all kinds of story's and video's of purported sites that contain these giants remains. We find ancient bones and remains of just about every species we've come across on the planet, these remains would be well within the realm of finding remains of peoples from the times in the Bible which But why hide that truth? There's nothing we can do about it as humans now. It's not some crazy shock to find out we had an off shoot species of humans that were incredibly tall. How could making that public knowledge harm society in any way. if anything wouldn't it "back up" the story's of this ancient race.
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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 6:10 am » by Swissbrit


DmoniX_The_Destroyer wrote:Great post! One thing about Giants as a whole... Some people believe there is a "cover up" about this part of our "human" history. If there ever had been a race of giants, you would think there'd be some physical proof as far as remains would go. Now I know there's all kinds of story's and video's of purported sites that contain these giants remains. We find ancient bones and remains of just about every species we've come across on the planet, these remains would be well within the realm of finding remains of peoples from the times in the Bible which But why hide that truth? There's nothing we can do about it as humans now. It's not some crazy shock to find out we had an off shoot species of humans that were incredibly tall. How could making that public knowledge harm society in any way. if anything wouldn't it "back up" the story's of this ancient race.



Would it back up Evolution though?????? Which we get drummed into our brains as to how we the human race came about

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PostThu Aug 23, 2012 7:36 pm » by Vulcanic


DmoniX_The_Destroyer wrote:Great post! One thing about Giants as a whole... Some people believe there is a "cover up" about this part of our "human" history. If there ever had been a race of giants, you would think there'd be some physical proof as far as remains would go. Now I know there's all kinds of story's and video's of purported sites that contain these giants remains. We find ancient bones and remains of just about every species we've come across on the planet, these remains would be well within the realm of finding remains of peoples from the times in the Bible which But why hide that truth? There's nothing we can do about it as humans now. It's not some crazy shock to find out we had an off shoot species of humans that were incredibly tall. How could making that public knowledge harm society in any way. if anything wouldn't it "back up" the story's of this ancient race.



I've wonderd that myself and i think it's just a dumb war between evolutionist and creationist they both hide things from us all to keep us in the dark.If they say there were giants then people would look to the bibles for answers and not science. I just think there were giants (not alot) and they were a off shoot and during bible times they wrote about them as gods or evil spawn from angels ect ect but in realality they were just a off shoot that were older then us even. I know for fact alot of bones were found in usa and were displayed in museums but were lost or stolen., why? we may never know,we can only guess :(
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