The Kalam Cosmological Argument--Or, Does God Exist?

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PostWed Feb 01, 2012 4:53 pm » by Arisen


(4) If the universe has a cause of its existence then that cause is God.


I'm not sure how (4) came about, if you can elaborate.

Even the rest are shaky to say the least. I can give a a number of scenarios, one of them being the universe is a continuous loop. (One universe is destroyed and another is created). We all know for example audio feedback. It's an infinite loop and a natural process of creation that does not require intelligence.

I don't mean to offend but the fact that we don't know yet enough cosmology to have a complete theory, doesn't necessarily mean there is a god. It's the same kind of thinking that assumed thunder and lighting means that God is angry.

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PostWed Feb 01, 2012 6:13 pm » by Truthdefender


arisen wrote:
(4) If the universe has a cause of its existence then that cause is God.


I'm not sure how (4) came about, if you can elaborate.

Even the rest are shaky to say the least. I can give a a number of scenarios, one of them being the universe is a continuous loop. (One universe is destroyed and another is created). We all know for example audio feedback. It's an infinite loop and a natural process of creation that does not require intelligence.

I don't mean to offend but the fact that we don't know yet enough cosmology to have a complete theory, doesn't necessarily mean there is a god. It's the same kind of thinking that assumed thunder and lighting means that God is angry.


Your example goes back to the impossibility of infinite pasts. A continuous loop implies an infinite number of loops.

And this thread was about theoretical and mathematical "arguments" for the existence of God. Thank you for your imput though.
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