if you're talking about that super saturated picture of the moon, you might want to think again, if not i apologize.

COLOR CHANGES ARE VERY QUICK ON THE MOON



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@ironshroom, i acknowledge your point that there is conflicting science regarding the influence of the van allen belts and as a result it is perhaps unfair to use it in an argument for or against the fakery theories. However i will once again refer to the testimony of the space shuttle crew who experienced radioactive particle penetrating their very skulls through the craft. Bear in mind this was over 600 miles from the belt. I am most glad that you acknowledge my smoking gun is a valid route for questioning official events, it is particularly damning and is very much worthy of debate.

I also appreciate your point about web videos, one must wade through the quagmire of bullshit to get to the shores of worth. This video i believe belongs on the shore, it is Nasas own material and as such is not speculative, the actions performed by the parties in the video speak volumes and for whatever reason the deception is apparent.

I thank you for your input and hope you can bring more to this discussion as i will endeavour to do myself.

Peace

[quote="ufosearcher"]One of the most excellent things that the earth does, or at least did when Apollo 11 visited the moon, was to remain THE SAME always. THE EARTH'S SHAPE NEVER CHANGED.
The shape of the earth from whichever point remained the same, at whatever time--never changed.
This helps the astronauts return back to the earth safely, isn't it? If not, they would have flewn to say, mars or jupiter.















There are several other photos of earthrise in different positions...

Here is an interesting article i thought i would share regarding stanley kubriks supposed involvement in the moon landing deception. A very intereting read, you will never look at the shining in the same way:
Secrets of The Shining:

Or How Faking the Moon Landings Nearly
Cost Stanley Kubrick his Marriage and his Life.

By Jay Weidner

Copyright 2009 Sacred Mysteries Productions



For more information on how Stanley Kubrick faked the Apollo moon landings go here

The Shining is surely Stanley Kubrick's most misunderstood masterpiece.

I use the word 'masterpiece' guardedly because I have never really thought that The Shining was a very good film.

At the time, in 1980 when I first saw it, I didn't like it at all. The way that Kubrick threw out so much of Stephen King's great source material and replaced it with a lot of things that just didn't seem to make any sense, really bothered me.

Hopefully, before I am finished with this essay, the reader will see it is only when Kubrick dramatically alters the script from Stephen King's novel that we can begin to understand what Stanley Kubrick is trying to tell us in his version of The Shining.

It should be understood from the beginning that The Shining is Stanley Kubrick's most personal film (outside of, possibly, Eyes Wide Shut). Before we are done here it will be easy to see that Kubrick was only using Stephen King's novel as a launching pad (excuse the pun) to be able to tell a completely different story under the guise of making a film based on a best-selling novel. He did this for a very important reason - mainly to save his life.

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

In fact, let's start at the beginning.

There are two main characters in the film, Jack Torrance (played by Jack Nicholson) and his son Danny (played by Danny Lloyd).

It is important to understand here that Jack and Danny are two aspects of Stanley Kubrick himself. Jack is the practical, pragmatic guy who wants to be a great artist. And he is, apparently, willing to do anything to accomplish his goal of being an artist (writer). Jack, like Stanley has black hair, he is idiosyncratic and even smokes the same cigarettes as Stanley (Marlboro).

Danny is the other side of the great director. He is the child-like Kubrick. It is Danny who is actually the real artist.

The Danny side of Kubrick side is psychic, youthful and sees things that no one else sees. Danny also has a tendency to tell people things that should be kept quiet.

The first part of the The Shining is probably the longest, most boring, 58 minutes in Kubrick's career.

The opening of the film takes place with us witnessing Stanley's pragmatic side, Jack, cutting a deal with the Manager of the Overlook Hotel.

The deal between Jack and the Manager of the Overlook is that Jack can write (that is - create) all that he wants as long as he "takes care" of The Overlook.



One other important point is that the Manager of The Overlook tells Jack that the previous caretaker went crazy from the stress of the job and killed his wife and two girls.

Jack says he is "intrigued" but takes the deal anyway.

The Manager of the Overlook Hotel is wearing red, white and blue. Jack's wife Wendy (played by Shelly Duval) and his son Danny also wear red, white and blue for almost the entire first hour of the film.

In this symbolic interpretation the Overlook Hotel is AMERICA. It was built, just like the Manager says, on the graves of Indians. Even when walking on the floor of the Overlook Hotel, one finds oneself trampling over various Native American symbols.

The Overlook Hotel itself is America.

Like America, the Overlook Hotel is new and shiny. It is ostentatious, corny and architecturally boring. As the Manager tells Wendy "All of the best people stayed here".

But there is something very deep happening. Kubrick brushed shoulders with the elite of the world. He knows what is going on.

We have to begin to understand Kubrick's story from his use of symbols. As I like to say: if a picture is worth a thousand words, then a symbol is worth a thousand pictures. For it will be through the use of symbol that the real story of The Shining can be revealed.

The Manager of the Overlook, while interviewing Jack, has an American Eagle right behind his head. It is as if "The Eagle" is the power behind the Manager.



Not only is the Eagle the symbol of America but it should be noted that the Lunar Lander of the Apollo 11 mission was called "The Eagle". To the Manager's right on the desk is an American flag.

Symbolically the Manager (played by Barry Nelson) is the face of the government of the United States. Jack has cut this deal with the government to be the "caretaker" of the Hotel.

The Manager tells Jack that his main job is to prevent the Overlook Hotel (America) from appearing like it is decaying. The Manager reiterates that this is Jack's primary responsibility.

On their first day in the Hotel, Danny has a vision of the previous caretaker's daughters, and he sees that they are twins. The previous caretaker's daughters were not twins in the Stephen King novel. This discrepancy between the book and the film will grow in importance as we continue.

Jack, Danny and Wendy also meet Dick Halorann who is the cook for the Overlook. He befriends Danny and it is through him that Danny discovers that he is not alone when it comes to psychic ability.

Dick warns Danny to stay away from Room 237.

Jack, Wendy and Danny have now fully moved into the Hotel. There is a long cold winter ahead of them. At first Jack loves the hotel but he is having problems with his writing. Also he cannot sleep. Meanwhile Wendy and Danny are having fun.

Jack is not writing. Instead he is throwing a tennis ball at the wall in the room where his typewriter sits. On the wall, which is being struck by the tennis ball, is a Native American artistic motif that looks suspiciously like a group of rockets about to be launched.


Jack throwing the ball at the rocket/arrows on the wall.
Apollo was the god of Archery. Jack is playing ball with Apollo's arrows

Finally the ball bounces away from Jack and disappears into the darkness of the hotel. Jack walks over and looks down at the model of the maze. He sees Wendy and Danny caught in the middle of the maze, totally unaware of the nature of the deal that he has cut with the Overlook.



A cold winter storm has now blown over the Hotel. The oncoming storm is a symbol of the Cold War between Russia and the United States. Of course the Cold War is also one of the driving forces for the entire reason for faking the moon landings. It was necessary to hide the advanced U.S. saucer technology from the Soviet Union. We were living in a very dangerous world and it was shrewd to hide our advanced technology from the Russians. This is the reason for the bears that are seen all over The Shining. The Russian Bear, and its competition for the race to the Moon, was a driving force behind having to fake the Apollo Moon landings.



Jack, his family, and the Overlook Hotel, are trapped in the Cold, just as America was trapped in the Cold War with Russia. The stuffed bears, seen through out the film, are the Soviet Empire's symbol.

Symbolically the Bears seen through the film are also the representation of the pressure that the Russians put on the USA to get to the Moon. They had to fake the moon landings and cover up the real truth behind the flying saucer craft and machinery that the US government actually has created and employed since World War Two.

Danny is riding his bike through the halls of The Overlook when he comes upon the twin dughters of the previous caretaker. They stare at Danny and together they say: "Come play with us Danny. Forever and ever." Danny turns and wheels it out of there.

At this point in the film we graphically discover the nature of the deal that Jack really cut with the Manager of the Overlook:

It is the most crucial scene in the film. Danny is in a hallway playing with his trucks. Suddenly, out of nowhere, The Project, the Overlook Hotel, rolls the tennis ball, from nowhere, at him. It is a gesture that says: "Wanna play?" It is here that we discover what happened to Jack's tennis ball that was previously swallowed up by the darkness of the Overlook. We also discover what game it is that the twin daughters of the previous caretaker were inviting Danny to play.



Mystified by where the ball came from, Danny stands up, and the audience finally sees what the nature of the Project really is about:

As Danny stands up, the answer is revealed in an instant. Danny is wearing a sweater with a crudely sewn rocket pictured on the front. On the rocket clearly seen on Danny's sweater are the words: APOLLO 11.


The audience watching the film literally sees the launch of Apollo 11, right before their eyes, as Danny rises from the floor. It isn't the real launch of Apollo 11, it is, of course, the symbolic launching of Apollo 11. In other words - it isn't real.

What happens next is crucial to understanding everything else that happens in the film.

Danny, bewildered, walks down the hallway. He sees that Room 237 - the room that Halorann warned him about - has a key in the lock and the door is wide open.


 

It is important to note that the room in question was numbered 217 in the Stephen King version of The Shining. For unknown reason's Kubrick changed it to 237.

Those unknown reasons are about to be come known.

Danny is literally carrying a symbolic Apollo 11, on his body, via the sweater, to the Moon as he walks over to room 237. Why do I think this?

Because the average distance from the Earth to the Moon is 237,000 miles.

The real truth is that this movie is really about the deal that Stanley Kubrick made with the Manager of the Overlook Hotel (America). This deal was to get Kubrick to re-create, in other words, to fake, the Apollo 11 Moon landing.

Danny represents the artistic side of Kubrick. Because of the complexity of the artistic realization of the manner in which the lunar landings needed to appear, Kubrick needed to trust his artistic side.

Room 237 represents the fake lunar set that Stanley had to create to make the lunar landings appear factual. But really, on this set, and in this room, nothing is real.

As the film will soon reveal, Room 237 has to be lied about. It cannot be understood at all … ever.

Nothing real ever happens in room 237.

For a moment, in the film, it looks like Danny is actually going to enter Room 237. But we are never sure.

In the next scene Jack has a bad dream while he is working. He tells Wendy that in his dream he has killed Wendy and Danny.

Meanwhile Danny enters the scene and it is obvious that some mysterious force has physically hurt Danny. This mysterious force has also torn his Apollo 11 sweater.



Wendy, horrified, thinks that Jack did it.

In a way she is right because Danny got hurt because of the deal that Jack cut.

Frustrated, Jack goes to the bar located in the Gold Room. Obviously stressed, Jack whispers to no one that he would sell his soul for a drink.

It is then that Jack meets the real manager of the Overlook Hotel. A mysterious man suddenly appears behind the bar. His name is Lloyd and he is the bartender of the Overlook Hotel.



Clearly Stanley Kubrick shows Lloyd in a Satanic light.

Lloyd seduces Jack with a drink.

Jack has sold his soul to the Project, to being the caretaker of the Overlook.

Jack and Lloyd's conversation is interrupted by Wendy's entrance. Lloyd and Jack's glass of Scotch suddenly disappear. Wendy tells Jack that someone else is in the hotel.

Jack then goes to Room 237 and sees the manifestation of a young woman into an old woman.

Because Room 237 is, symbolically, the Lunar Set for Apollo 11, Jack has to lie to Wendy about what is going on in the room. He tells her that nothing is going on in Room 237. It is apparent that Danny must have hurt himself.
It is true, Danny did get hurt because of Jack. Danny is the side of Stanley that knew of Stanley's secret project. Somehow he got into a situation where they (The Overlook Hotel - America) hurt him.

After this Jack begins to go to hell physically. He is growing an unkempt beard and is not combing his hair - two things that Stanley Kubrick was known for doing, or not doing, himself.



 

Now Jack (Nicholson) is looking a lot like Stanley Kubrick. Especially as he began to appear under the stress of the twin productions going on at once: (1), 2001: A Space Odyssey and (2), faking the Apollo 11 landings. It should also be noted that Jack and Stanley are about the same age and they have the same hair color.

Early 2001: A Space Odysey Production photos show a youthful and un-bearded Kubrick with combed hair, looking quite handsome. But photos taken four years later - near the end of the production of 2001: A Space Odyssey - show that Kubrick was a physical wreck. The de-evolution of Stanley Kubrick's appearance during the production of 2001: A Space Odyssey is disturbingly close to Jack Torrance's (Jack Nicholson's) appearance in The Shining.

Despite his disheveled appearance Jack has started writing again.

Wendy, (who is really supposed to be Kubrick's wife Christina), wants to read the book that Jack is working so furiously on. She asks to see what he is writing. Jack is surprised by her entrance into the room where he does his writing. Angrily he rejects her. He tells her to stay out of the room where he is writing.

It is clear that Wendy, Kubrick's wife, is not allowed to know anything about the Project.

But what is this book that Jack is writing?

Wendy soon finds out what is in the book that Jack is writing. It is then that we get the clincher that proves that this essay is the correct interpretation of Kubrick's The Shining.

Wendy sneaks into Jack's writing room. Slowly she begins to read the book that Jack has been working on.

This scene is totally original to the movie. It is not in the King novel. Although it is mildly terrifying, it is not that horrific. Yet it is the centerpiece of the film and arguably the scariest scene in the movie.

Why?

Because every single one of the hundreds of pages that Jack has been furiously writing is a variation of only one sentence:

"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy".



Incredibly every page has this exact sentence. And it is written over and over. Truly it is scary enough to think that Jack has just been sitting there, day after day, writing the same sentence, over and over. Wendy face reveals her fear over the discovery.



What does it all mean?

May I humbly suggest that the word "All" in this repeated sentence actually stands for "A11" that is: "A-One-One", or Apollo 11?

"A11 work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

May I suggest that the nickname, or the code name, for the faking of the Apollo Moon Missions was A11?

Accepting that this is true we can see what Stanley is really telling us:

'"Apollo 11 work and no play makes Jack (Kubrick) a dull boy."

If you think that I am stretching things here I would like to point out the patch that NASA had created to symbolize the Apollo program:



There are other 'A's' in the film also. The Overlook Hotel has several A's' built into its construction when viewed from the outside:



Stanley has used these A's before also. Here is the cover of A Clockwork Orange with Alex menacingly coming out of the 'A' with his all-seeing-eye cufflink:



It is clear from the evidence presented in the film that Kubrick's wife (Shelly Duval) had discovered that he (Stanley Kubrick) had made a secret deal with the Manager of the Overlook, (i.e.) with the rulers of the USA.

Shelly Duval (Christina Kubrick) also discovered that what she thought was one thing actually turned out to be another. What Mrs. Kubrick discovered was that - instead of making a science fiction film called 2001: A Space Odyssey - her husband was really working to create the fake Apollo moon landings.

At this point the film finally gets really interesting. Frightened by this revelation Wendy (Stanley's wife) wants Jack (Stanley) to quit the Project.

Jack (Stanley) angrily replies: "That is so typical of you! … I've made an agreement … I have obligations to my employers!"

Danny uses The Shining to contact Dick Halorann in Florida (which I might add is where Apollo 11 was launched). Dick laboriously travels from Florida to Colorado.

In another abrupt break with the novel, Jack Torrance kills Halorann as soon as he arrives at the Overlook (so much for Halorann's psychic abilities!)

While I think this scene is very disturbing and I doubt if I can ever prove this but I think Stanley Kubrick is telling us something very definite with this alteration to the King novel.

I believe that the naïve side of him, represented by Danny, told someone that he, Kubrick, was faking the Apollo missions. He may even have told this person that he was faking the lunar landings for NASA while also appearing to produce the film 2001: A Space Odyssey. Halloran is the representation of the person that Kubrick mistakenly revealed this most secret of all information. Because of that, Halloran, or the person who Stanley told, had to die.

The secret must remain safe. This also explains why Kubrick had to hide all of this crucial information inside the construct of the King novel. Kubrick wanted the story to get out, but he was also afraid for his life. Kubrick had to fake the making of the Stephen King novel so that he could reveal that he was involved in the faking the moon landings!
The truth is that The Shining is the story of how Stanley Kubrick cut a deal with the U.S. Government to fake the Apollo moon landings.

It is also the story of how Kubrick may have accidentally told someone what he had done and how that person had to be killed.

The Shining is also the story of how faking the Apollo moon landings almost sacrificed his relationship with his wife.

Finally it is the story of how Stanley Kubrick barely escaped alive to create another day.

The Shining is the story of how a part of Stanley Kubrick was killed by the agreement that he made with the U. S. government to become the "caretaker" of The Project called A11 or Apollo 11.

It is also the story of the history of NASA.

This explains why the previous "caretaker" was so pressured and stressed that he had to kill his TWIN daughters.



Why?

Because the previous NASA missions before Apollo were named Gemini!

There is much more in this film than can be discussed here. I am sure that much more will be discovered.

I present this tidbit of an interpretation to show not only that Stanley Kubrick directed the Apollo moon landings but also to ask NASA to release all of Kubrick's Apollo moon landing footage in their original, glorious 70 mm film.

It is time to shed the lies. But also it is time for the world to view, uncensored, Stanley Kubrick's greatest unknown masterpiece. I ask NASA to release all of the footage directed by Kubrick for the faked Apollo landings.

May I also suggest that NASA use the millions of dollars made from this surely successful movie release to fund another mission to the moon?

I mean it has only been 35 years!

Also - may I suggest a title for this new Kubrick film?

How about:

Never A Straight Answer?



  

that is actually a very interesting read. you've hooked my attention with the symbolism in movies, as i feel these kinds of things happen very often, although i think with some of the symbolism the writer talks about, they are simply inferring meaning.

I would be willing to entertain the idea that we went to the moon in saucers, and in an attempt to cover up reverse engineered alien technology they staged parts of the apolo 11 mission. If this was the case though the real story would have to be a LOT more elaborate than yes or no they went to the moon (which isn't impossible).

I'm certainly going to have to re-watch the shining, that's for sure.

The subject has always interested me, and what i think, after lots of thought and looking at the photos in question...is that there was a mission to the moon, and there was a staged set to recreate an idyllic moon.

The following reposts from old work ive done on it, show me a couple glaring problems..
(The premise being light bounce issues with the guy on the ladder, and even MORE importantly, some color cast on a guy in an environment devoid completely of color...

(to be fair, i got popped on the 'no flag shadow"..the image i was looking at wasnt high res..thx sheeple i think)

Ok, again, i think a real mission, and a very well executed PR shoot for print and the Soviets...not that we didnt have the cameras, but there are some technical aspects of shooting a hasselblad that present problems..

You must first look DOWN into the viewfinder to FOCUS the thing, and ive heard astronauts say that they were completely unable to look down..(straight down) and the cameras were supposedly attached to their waist...well, then how did you manage to get everything in perfect focus, and perfectly composed..while presumable unable to peer down into the viewfinder..

That , among other things..
But still, i think we went, just knew that the images could be 'prettier 'if they were staged..
The non rotating earth.. has me intrigued as well..

on to the show:

Ugh..

For shits and giggles, i asked..
What IF?..

What if the landing photos were taken on the Scale sized recreated
Crater Lot thats been shown in the hoax videos...
Made somewhere on or close to area 51 or something like that.
What would that do to the photos weve seen?
It MIGHT explain the disappearance of the hasselblad register marks, that oddly seem to disappear in the pano shots that show completly black sky..when they show in normally exposed black portions of a normal plate. Theyve masked out a normal earth sky, and replaced it with Register black..which means Total 100% combined color black..

THEN something caught my eye again, that ive seen and wondered about before..
In the highlight (yet somewhat shadow portion) of some of these photos..(see near right side of his visor and on part of his backpack....

Ive noticed something.. a SLIGHT cyan (blue) cast in some areas of relfected light that falls within a shadow area.

Now, ive always wondered what would cause reflected light to contain blue..
IF, there is no local color blue ANYWHERE in space, not on their uniforms, or lander, or sky..i ask as a photog..HOW WOULD CYAN BLUE, make it onto an exposed plate.

so I played a game..
First, I sampled this light cyan cast in question..
Then simly used proportion sliders, to increase the percentages in ALL colors, as would happen in Under, good, over, and overexposures of a Blue.

I sampled the Highlight first, and found it had 15% Cyan 8% Magenta and 7% yellow.
Well, ill tell ya, first thing that struck me, was ive seen that combo in print before..
and it is the right combination of Sky, reflected on a WHTE object that occurs in a 45º shadow. The shadow is catching ambient light reflected from a blue sky...

So I gotta say, my interest is WAY THE FUCK up at this point.
Ive spent time debunking these claims, and now i got a couple what id call LEGIT problems to figure out...

Ive done a SHIT TON of advertising retouch, and those are percentages commonly used to FAKE a sky if need be..because they are natural percentages, of a sunny day sky, reflected as ambient light in a shadow area of a white object..

So then, I took that color, and increased the proportions or each color to the others across the board..meaning I took a hue slider, and merely darkened it..

And holy fuck..
(of course i could be off, but still)
This is what I got..

Those sliders gave me EXACT sky colors, and exact colors for having a ten percent yellow/orange offset for the helmet glass.

WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A THING TO THEM.

All this does is increase the number of questions..
So i dropped in a normal southwestern Summer sky color into the sky, and voila..
NO COLOR RELATIONSHIPS WERE VIOLATED>
<--people thats huge.

That could be big, or it could be nothing..You decide.
I can only speak for myself when i say i now have more questions, after being convinced the photos were real..ALTHOUGH i always had soem problems with the perfect exposures..particularly, when ther is NO shadow detail onthe ground, but LOTS of shadow detail in white areas..

Its been debnked to a degree, and Mythbusters replicated SOME of this, but not all of them i dont think..now that i take hard look.

Ok, on this image, what i did was PRESUME it was shot under a blue sky, and replaced the black moon sky with a natural blue sky. How perfect did the light on that aastronaut and the color in the light shadow areas just fall into line??? I mean damn, the fake blue sky looks like its SUPPOSED to be there....

THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!


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The most compelling evidence that Apollo mission WASNT faked:

I was going to respond to the issues raised in this thread, but its all been done. Just read up on it for a few hours, many many people have had this conversation and argument before. Don't just read the side you agree with, read the side you disagree with as well. Far too often we tend to read up and hold more validity to those things that already nicely fit into our beliefs. It is from understanding the opposing side in which you gain more useful information. This approach will help you avoid the 'argument from ignorance' which is so thoroughly practiced on the internet.

BUT electrobadgr I have one question for you:

You can clearly see the landing sites with my home telescope. We can spend hours discussing color tints on photographs, earth position and all this jazz... but when its all said and done, I walk out to my backyard, fire up the tracking software for my telescope and low and behold... landing sites. How do you reconcile that?

If that is true man then you have managed to achieve something no one else has, if possible i would love to see a photo? In any case the presence of landers would be consistent with the surrogate theory discussed here.

@lowsix, fantastic analysis man truly though provoking, people are very quick to dismiss such photographic inconsistency. A friend of mine is a photographer and this is the kind of stuff he spouts frequently that goes completely over my head but his logic is always sound. Was it recently you made this analysis? I had kind of always placed you in the apollo believers corner, it is refreshing to see you share reservations as i do.

Now i know your up on your photography i will be sure to pick your brains in future if you will permit it

Peace