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Is Snowden a Hero or a Traitor?

Hero
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Neither
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Both
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PostWed Jul 03, 2013 3:07 am » by Spock


BOLIVIAN LEADER'S PLANE REROUTED ON SNOWDEN FEAR


LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — The plane carrying Bolivian President Evo Morales home from Russia was rerouted to Austria on Tuesday after France and Portugal refused to let it cross their airspace because of suspicions that NSA leaker Edward Snowden was on board, the country's foreign minister said.

Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca denied that Snowden was on the plane, which landed in Vienna, and said France and Portugal would have to explain why they canceled authorization for the plane.

"We don't know who invented this lie. We want to denounce to the international community this injustice with the plane of President Evo Morales," Choquehuanca said from La Paz. Morales had earlier met with Russian President Vladimir Putin at a summit of major gas exporters in the Kremlin.

In an interview with Russia Today television, Morales said that his South American country would be willing to consider granting asylum to Snowden.

Leaks by Snowden, a former NSA systems analyst, have revealed the NSA's sweeping data collection of U.S. phone records and some Internet traffic, though U.S. intelligence officials have said the programs are aimed at targeting foreigners and terrorist suspects mostly overseas.

He is believed to be in a Moscow airport transit area, seeking asylum from one of more than a dozen countries.

"This is a hostile act by the United States State Department which has used various European governments," said Bolivian Defense Minister Ruben Saavedra, who was on the flight.

Choquehuanca said in a statement that after France and Portugal canceled authorization for the flight, Spain's government allowed the plane to be refueled in its territory. From there the plane flew on to Vienna.

He said the decision by France and Portugal "put at risk the life of the president."

Morales was in the Vienna airport early Wednesday meeting with the plane's crew to reprogram his return to Bolivia, the defense minister Saavedra said.

A diplomat with Bolivia's Embassy in Vienna told The Associated Press that the Bolivian president was in the airport's VIP lounge. She said she did not know whether Snowden was with Morales.

Snowden has applied for asylum in Venezuela, Bolivia and 18 other countries, according to WikiLeaks, a secret spilling website that has been advising him. Many European countries on the list — including Austria, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain and Switzerland — said he would have to make his request on their soil.

WikiLeaks said requests have also been made to Brazil, China, Cuba, Ecuador, France, Iceland, India, Italy and Nicaragua.

One of Snowden's best chances of finding refuge outside the United States may hinge on the president of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro, who was also in Russia on Tuesday.

Maduro told Russian reporters that his country has not received an application for asylum from Snowden and dodged the question of whether he would take him with him when he left.

But Maduro also defended the former National Security Agency systems analyst.

"Who must protect Snowden? This is the question. This young man of 29 was brave enough to say that we need to protect the world from the American imperial elite, so who should protect him?" Maduro said in response to a question from journalists covering a ceremony to rename a Moscow street after Chavez. "All of mankind, people all over the world must protect him."

Maduro was scheduled to spend Wednesday in neighboring Belarus before returning to Venezuela.

In Venezuela, Foreign Minister Elias Jaua condemned the decision by France and Portugal. He that changing a flight's route without checking on how much fuel it had put the president's life at risk.

"All the countries that have denied permission for the flight of our brother president, Evo Morales, must be held responsible for his life and his dignity as president."

Officials at Portugal's Foreign Ministry and National Civil Aviation Authority could not be reached to comment.

French government officials reached overnight said they could not confirm whether Morales' plane was denied permission to fly over France.

Another possible landing spot for Snowden is Ecuador, where Wikileaks founder and publisher Julian Assange has been seeking asylum.

"We are disposed to analyze Mr. Snowden's request for asylum and this position has not changed," said Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino on Tuesday. "What we have said is that we will be able to analyze the request when Mr. Snowden is in Ecuadorean territory or in an Ecuadorean mission."

Patino said Ecuador was not working to help Snowden reach its territory.

Snowden, who recently turned 30, withdrew a bid for asylum in Russia when he learned the terms Moscow had set out, according to Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov. Putin said on Monday that Russia was ready to shelter Snowden as long as he stopped leaking U.S. secrets.

At the same time, Putin said he had no plans to turn over Snowden to the United States.

Rebuffed by Russia's president, the Obama administration has recently toned down demands Snowden be expelled from the Moscow airport in a sign that the U.S. believes he is not worth scuttling diplomatic relations between the former Cold War enemies.


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PostWed Jul 03, 2013 4:03 am » by Malogg


North Korea grants asylum for Snowden

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Hackers around the world have been searching for a home for their wayward comrade, Edward Snowden. Finally, it seems, they have settled on North Korea.

SEOUL, Republic of Korea – In response to a formal application for asylum on behalf of Edward Snowden, Kim Jong-un issued a statement offering the whistleblower not just asylum, but full North Korean citizenship. Snowden and his entourage, staffed mostly by WikiLeaks employees, were ecstatic at the news of a safe haven after 14 other countries had denied their applications.

“The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea promises to allow Edward Snowden to continue to leak anything he wants. We will provide him with many of the best top-secret hacking tools available in North Korea,” said a representative from the North Korean military.

“We are just so relieved that Snowden has finally found friendly shores,” said Glen Greenwild, the reporter who famously interviewed Edward Snowden in a Hong Kong hotel.

Snowden issued a statement written in Spanish, thanking North Korea for their commitment to freedom.


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PostThu Jul 04, 2013 9:40 am » by Seahawk


Published on Jul 4, 2013

Amnesty International on the NSA leak
Edward Snowden's revelations uncover "a range of potential human rights violations" by the USA.

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PostThu Jul 04, 2013 7:14 pm » by Seahawk


Lol. This is good. :P

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Students from the University of Wisconsin SLAM NSA recruiters who think they are just a bunch of gullible un-informed kids. This is really good stuff. If you got a minute, hear what these great young adults have to say with their fearless and brutally truthful confrontation with the NSA.




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PostFri Jul 05, 2013 2:07 pm » by Kinninigan


Seahawk wrote:Lol. This is good. :P

Published on Jul 4, 2013
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Students from the University of Wisconsin SLAM NSA recruiters who think they are just a bunch of gullible un-informed kids. This is really good stuff. If you got a minute, hear what these great young adults have to say with their fearless and brutally truthful confrontation with the NSA.




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i heard this yesterday and loved it!

but why this is in its own thread reposted i dont know, i seen this posted by another member yesterday as well (just the soundcloud link) but i cant find the thread

point is, its been posted three seperate times in 3 different threads










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PostFri Jul 05, 2013 11:27 pm » by Seahawk


A Neo-con perspective on the situation, or a part of it. Jeezbus!! Listen to this guy! He's really pissed that the U.S. is no longer "running the world right now."


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PostFri Jul 05, 2013 11:39 pm » by Seahawk


The news, here, is in the quotes. The video is a PSA that Oliver Stone participated in in support of Bradley Manning.


Oliver Stone Calls Edward Snowden A 'Hero,' Obama A 'Disgrace' At 4th Of July Appearance


Published on Jul 5, 2013
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The always outspoken filmmaker Oliver Stone spoke up for Edward Snowden and against President Obama during an appearance Thursday at the Karlovy Vary International Film Festival in the Czech Republic. Stone, who was showing two episodes of his television series The Untold History of the United States at the event, hailed the NSA leaker as a "hero" and declared it as "disgrace that Obama is more concerned with hunting down Snowden than reforming these George Bush-style eavesdropping techniques."

The Wrap's Steve Pond reported that Stone shared his views on the Snowden case with the mostly European journalists in attendance:


"To me, Snowden is a hero, because he revealed secrets that we should all know, that the United States has repeatedly violated the Fourth Amendment. He should be welcomed, and offered asylum, but he has no place to hide because every country is intimidated by the United States. This should not be. This is what's wrong with the world today, and it's very important that the world recognizes and gives asylum to Snowden. Everyone in the world is impacted by the United States' Big Brother attitude toward the world."
Stone urged other "countries to say no to the United States," adding, "The United States is the dominant power in the universe, with its eavesdropping abilities, cyber abilities ... It's what they call in the Pentagon 'full spectrum dominance.' And the world is in danger with our tyranny."


The filmmaker also recently appeared along with other progressive celebrities in a PSA supporting military whistleblower Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is currently awaiting a verdict for charges including espionage and "aiding the enemy."



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PostFri Jul 05, 2013 11:45 pm » by Seahawk


See how these last three posts-inclusive- kind of tie together? I love it! :)


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PostFri Jul 05, 2013 11:57 pm » by Seahawk


Published on Jul 5, 2013
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A homeless Hero...rejected by his own nation, Europe, and many other....
for exposing corruption. This is our world :((( Our chldren have no future in a world like this!
Dear YouTubers I know millions around the world have their eyes on this stateless Young man that is rejected by many so called nations who fight for human rights!
Now we know what human rights means to majority!
Many people in France and other Europeans country consider Snowden HERO.
Please check RT for latest on Snowden affair. Looks like after this displomatic incident caused by "EU state members" with Bolivian présidents plane and forcing him to land in Austria thinking that Snowden was on board, has opened doors of hope to Snowden.

PEACE to the world..

Having failed to secure diplomatic protection in China and Russia, fugitive Edward Snowden faces a dwindling number of options. Nevertheless, Snowden is steadily gaining a following in Western Europe and has acquired some sympathizers [in a late breaking development, it has also been reported that Iceland's Pirate Party has proposed a bill in the local parliament which would grant Snowden asylum, though it's unlikely that the measure will be considered any time soon since legislators are currently off on summer break].

Meanwhile, the U.S. faces a growing backlash in South America following the outlandish blocking of Bolivian President Evo Morales' plane from French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese airspace. Earlier, Morales had been in Moscow meeting with Vladimir Putin and there was speculation that Bolivia would provide Snowden with protection.

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PostTue Jul 09, 2013 2:49 am » by Seahawk


Part 2 of the Interview:


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