The Science behind Reincarnation

Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:00 pm » by **Bradwatson**

ezekiel wrote:I'm a Christian who believes in reincarnation but not for the "small people" like me, only for the Elites or Powers That Be (celebrities, stars, notables, etc). I have a growing list of celebrities and others whose past identities I've spotted. And I've learned through plain observation of reincarnated celebrities that your principles are in fact the TRUTH for them. That is how they operate. I'm not a scientist (I almost flunked Biology) but I would like to know scientifically how reincarnations happen. I'm referring to CLONING mainly.

Xander (Ezekiel),

I'm not sure if you're trying to be serious. (1) A scientific law or theory works for all things and all people. Reincarnation explains everyone's afterlife. (2) Christians believe that "the Christ will return and there will be a resurrection of the dead." How does that work? Reincarnation is the simple, logical, and scientific explanation. (3) Cloning is very different from reincarnation. It's quite possible that a succesful human clone would NOT be the reincarnated spirit of the original person.

Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:58 pm » by **Bradwatson**

Lee County, Florida & the Power of 'Coincidence'

On July 16, 20, & 24, I worked at the Hyatt Coconut Resort in Bonita Springs. When I got the call to play tropical steel drum music, I recognized that the location was north of Naples and about a 2 hr 15 min drive from my house. But, it wasn’t until I drove there that I realized Bonita Springs is in southernmost Lee County, which after a Wikipedia search, I confirmed my suspicion that it is named after Robert E. Lee. Because of all the research I’ve been doing on George Washington reincarnated as Robert E. Lee, I can conclude that this was no ‘coincidence’. This was God’s – the universal quantum computer’s - way of confirming my theory and providing me with $--- to help cover my expenses in my work. I’ve been contemplating a vacation/research trip to Virginia next month with my girlfriend and perhaps this is a sign from God :eek:

that I can now afford it and should go! :banana:

Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:21 pm » by **Bradwatson**

grows wrote:Many of your theories are corollaries. If you cannot test them, then they remain so... Consciousness is eternal, but "these minds" are not. It is a great distinction...

grows,

All of my theories have been tested and are in the midst of being tested now. I'm sure that I will be able to prove in my next life that I was Brad Watson in my last lifetime. Explain your statement, "Consciousness is eternal, but these minds are not". That appears to be a contradiction.

Everyone,

Question: If reincarnation can be proved scientifically, including through experimental data, wouldn't Albert Einstein reincarnated be the one to prove it?!

Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:12 pm » by **Mugenroshi8**

bradwatson wrote:
grows wrote:Many of your theories are corollaries. If you cannot test them, then they remain so... Consciousness is eternal, but "these minds" are not. It is a great distinction...
grows,
"Consciousness is eternal, but these minds are not". That appears to be a contradiction.

No, our 'minds' are a bundle of baggage with which we accumulate and use to shelter ourselves in and judge what is happening around us. 'Consciousness' is a limitless expanse of perception where you are aware of all things around you, and judge nothing.

As for re-incarnation...according to Grow's thoughts (and arguably Buddha's), it is a mental re-birth whereas one's ultimate revelation is the absence of fear of death. You're only afraid of losing a house if you have a house and are attached to it yes? So, what Grows is saying, is that by non-attachment, the Buddha taught the path to enlightenment. Not through re-birth, but through continuously finding those things to which you cling, and letting go.
[If I butchered your thoughts Grows, please correct me.]

But I would like to pursue something Psiman pointed out. I'm having a hard time finding the exact line, so I will paraphrase. Psiman mentioned that if we did expand (maybe find 'enlightenment') in this life, then what's the purpose of coming back. Would not the expanded consciousness move onto a more fitting existence? This I think is very interesting; it's not what Grow is saying I don't believe, but on the topic of reincarnation, this would make sense yes? Great point Psiman.

I have read the Tibetan Book of the Dead, as well as the Egyptian. Brad, you are very big on numbers, do you mind sharing your feelings on the significance of 'time' between births in your theory to me?

Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:08 am » by **Clawspiracy**

(8) We return as human (if we pass the test of being ‘good’ for the system) because it’s the greatest way God has devised for energy to simultaneously experience the physical and spiritual universes.

I believe this one as the most telling... How else can we train to be a creator if not by having an internship? Let me put it another way...

Two simple organisms, a sperm and egg cell, relatively devoid of consciousness, come together to form a very highly evolved complex life form, and these two do it without even being aware of the process... That is to say, if one were to ask the sperm what its purpose is, it would answer "to swim..." without knowing towards what. Ask the egg? It will say to wait... Together, they evolve into something that is far beyond them.

As complex as we are, we are not smart enough to know what we are really part of, but my suspicion is a far more complex structure. One that recycles itself time and time again.

God, I love being human.

Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:24 pm » by **Mugenroshi8**

clawspiracy wrote:Two simple organisms, a sperm and egg cell, relatively devoid of consciousness, come together to form a very highly evolved complex life form, and these two do it without even being aware of the process... That is to say, if one were to ask the sperm what its purpose is, it would answer "to swim..." without knowing towards what. Ask the egg? It will say to wait... Together, they evolve into something that is far beyond them.

That's the coolest example of "action through in-action," I have ever read. Even Lao Tsu couldn't word it like that. I've missed you Claw

Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:42 am » by **Bradwatson**

mugenroshi8 wrote:No, our 'minds' are a bundle of baggage with which we accumulate and use to shelter ourselves in and judge what is happening around us. 'Consciousness' is a limitless expanse of perception where you are aware of all things around you, and judge nothing.

Mugenroshi8,

You're trying to separate mind & consciousness? Huh, let my conscious mind think about that. I judge everything and therefore, set myself up to be judged. The concept of 'reaching some Nirvana and not needing to reincarnate' is wrong. Consider this, would a good sports coach take his best players out of the game, especially when the good vs. evil is very intense?! Wouldn't the coach (God) rest his best players and then definetly put them back in the game?! Ya. :dancing:

Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:30 am » by **Clawspiracy**

@ mugenroshi8

Thanks! I missed being here... Or out there as it were...

Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:16 pm » by **Mugenroshi8**

Brad, our failure in communication is coming from the English language, not our content. In Chinese, "Consciousness", "rational mind" are different words; I know when you say 'conscious mind' in English, it resonates with what was being put across, but it's only a language barrier as we're taking the philosophy out of its context.

I have a student coming over in less than an hour, but if you like, afterward I'll pull out some old books and see if I can give you a literal translation. My apologies for not recognizing the problem first, and also for not having those words ready in this post.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:01 pm » by **Grows**

bradwatson wrote:
grows wrote:Many of your theories are corollaries. If you cannot test them, then they remain so... Consciousness is eternal, but "these minds" are not. It is a great distinction...
grows,

All of my theories have been tested and are in the midst of being tested now. I'm sure that I will be able to prove in my next life that I was Brad Watson in my last lifetime. Explain your statement, "Consciousness is eternal, but these minds are not". That appears to be a contradiction.

Everyone,

Question: If reincarnation can be proved scientifically, including through experimental data, wouldn't Albert Einstein reincarnated be the one to prove it?!

Firstly, "All of my theories have been tested and are in the midst of being tested now." is a claim. If you wish to have any scientific credibilty you need to provide information on these tests so they can be verifyed. You cannot just say something is so and expect everyone to believe you. It does make sense that if something is empirically true, it can be shown to be true?

There is no contradiction in my quote. Consciousness is not dependent on our independent thoughts. Consciousness essentially 'created us' not the other way around. These bodies are tools of consciousness, not the other way around. This is my opinion and I will not attmept to prove it. It is self evident to me and I would not expect anyone to simply accept it as truth, but to seek it. This is the difference between science and the mystic. Just as in the infinite cosmic dance, everything happens once, so it is with our minds. This is what is refered to as death. The mind KNOWS it will die, and is revolted by it. It will tell itself anything at all in order to cover it up and ignore it, or conquer it. The main task of life is not to rebell and conquer this natural process, but to accept it. And, this is not simply the task of the mind. The 'mind' will never fully accept death.This is why people refer to a 'soul' which of course could be an aspect of the mind, but the polarity of life and death will always be there. This is the whole point of Zen, and being able to 'silence the mind'. From a western viewpoint, it could be said that everything has it's proper place.

In my viewpoint, reincarnation is a process of transformation, many 'lives' are lived in this process meaning the minds idea of self refrence (the illusion of immortality) is destroyed and recreated many times. Eventually, in the absence of the recreation, there will be no more death. This could be said to be 'no more mind' or simply 'no mind'. At this point 'consciousness would be free' to express itself without the fears of the mind to cloud the action.

IOW, the mind is of the body. It will die. Consciousness goes on, expressed in every-body, able to manifest itself again and again, never dieing, just changing form. We "the mind" are tools of consciousness, and are finite. But if you look closely, perhaps you can see that while your individuality is useful, and worthy of respecting for what it's worth, it is not the individuality, but the life itself, which is truly grand, just as it always has been and always will be.