The speed of light comes in......second?

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:32 pm » by **Drextin**

Gravity has taken a lot of hits lately. It is now no longer considered the strongest force in nature and much of what was once contributed to gravity has been replaced with other variables.

But gravity is getting the last laugh...........by being the fastest force in the universe as well as the slowest.

When light is sucked into a black hole it is not the massive attraction field that keeps it there. Its the speed by which that attraction happens that overcomes light and keeps it from escaping. If the gravity was slower as say on earth then light would simply continue on its course.

All matter and gasses surrounding a black hole are traveling near the speed of light and perhaps even at the speed of light. This is caused by the speed for which the black hole is grabbing and pulling in the material. No matter how massive a gravity field is unless it is fast enough to catch the light to begin with it cannot impose its will on it.

A little analogy..........Take a vacuum hose and shoot a bullet across the tip while its on. What happens? The bullet flies right past it. Now give that same vacuum enough power to suck in the surrounding air at many times faster than the speed of that bullet and when the bullet reaches the tip of the vacuum it will be sucked in.

The faster you go in your car what happens? You pull Gs.....which is gravity trying to slow you down. But the gravity on earth is too slow and only manifests itself as a feeling of pressure. But if you took gravity on earth and mixed it with electromagnetic forces you would speed it up and it would stop a car going 100mph so fast even inertia would not exist. You would just go from flying down the highway to suddenly sitting calmly in you motionless vehicle.

This is also why all faster than light travel theories involve gravity to some degree.

All of that is a very simplistic way of explaining it. This is a pet theory of mine and I welcome all comments to it being bullshit............but for those who are science orientated......go have a look around the theory may still be faulty but it does have merit. We already know that at the instance of the big bang the outer edges driven by gravity were traveling faster than the speed of light.

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:37 pm » by **Badger**

Nice post Drex :flop:

I think your theory has a lot of merits. Going to try and think a way round it :think:

EDIT* oh yeah if your theory stands up, light comes third. Why? Because wherever light goes Darkness has already beaten it there!

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:41 pm » by **Drextin**

EDIT* oh yeah if your theory stands up, light comes third. Why? Because wherever light goes Darkness has already beaten it there!

HA! Touche!

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:47 pm » by **Ojcar**

"drextin"

The faster you go in your car what happens? You pull Gs.....which is gravity trying to slow you down. But the gravity on earth is too slow and only manifests itself as a feeling of pressure. But if you took gravity on earth and mixed it with electromagnetic forces you would speed it up and it would stop a car going 100mph so fast even inertia would not exist. You would just go from flying down the highway to suddenly sitting calmly in you motionless vehicle.

that has sense as some ufo´s should have been using electromagnetics to avoid deadly inertias on their inbelievable speeds and righthand turnings. the point there was to achieve balance between two objects wich gravity goes at different speeds on each one of them. It´s like pass from relativity to unity. Or sinchronicity.

as for darkness, i dont know why it has to be related to speed in any way. As i suppose darkness is the lack of light, just a ubiquitous presence. But who knows.

then the universe is "showing" us an illusion, that sky filled with stars. The darkness behind the stars is what shows that there are things even greater than light itself.

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:54 pm » by **Ojcar**

tldr

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:54 pm » by **Badger**

To understand fully why a black hole can trap light but the light still always travels at constant velocity requires an understanding of the General Theory of Relativity, but the essential point is that the black hole curves spacetime back on itself, so that all paths in the interior of the black hole lead back to the singularity at the center, no matter which direction you go (an analogy in two dimensions is that no matter which direction you go on the surface of the Earth in a "straight line" (what mathematicians call a "geodesic" or a "great circle"), you never escape the Earth but instead return to the same point. Imagine extending that analogy to the 4 dimensions of spacetime and you have a rough explanation for why light travels at light speed, but cannot escape the interior of a black hole.

here's the link to the article
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/blackhole/blackhole.html

But to be honest Drex it all theory.

@ojcar, the darkness thing was just a bit of fun :cheers:

@slush, as always you're on it like a hawk on a rabbit

Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:16 am » by **Drextin**

Slush,
Their research is not only outdated but has been proven faulty and wrong.

Several physicists, including Clifford M. Will and Steve Carlip, have criticized these claims on the grounds that they have allegedly misinterpreted the results of their measurements. Notably, prior to the actual transit, Hideki Asada in a paper to the Astrophysical Journal Letters theorized that the proposed experiment was essentially a roundabout confirmation of the speed of light instead of the speed of gravity. [15] Further, there has been criticism of the means by which these results were presented, in that they were announced at a meeting of the AAS instead of being submitted for peer review. [16] However, Kopeikin and Fomalont continue to vigorously argue their case and the means of presenting their result at the press-conference of AAS that was offered after the peer review of the results of the Jovian experiment had been done by the experts of the AAS scientific organizing committee.

All the new data has been accumulated within the last few years. We know for a fact gravity was faster than light during the moments following the big bang.

What you have is those who want light to remain the fastest thing in the universe coming up with special mathematical equations to overcome the forces of gravity.

which makes tracking the speed-of-gravity effects difficult and requires a special mathematical technique of gravitational retarded potentials, which was worked out by Kopeikin and co-authors

They are general relativity proponents trying to prove string and m-theories wrong.

All they were able to do even with their faulty measurements is show that gravity and light worked at the same speed. The thing is that can't be right. Gravity and light formed at the same time yet gravity spread faster because it is the fabric of the universe not a participant. Light could not exist unless gravity has been there first.