The Spiral of Life

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MATH IS EVERYWHERE.

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I thought I would post it here, seems somewhat relevant.

It is a short documentary looking at fear..

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Well my opinion may be worthless, but I can kind agreed with your last post SC;

When everything is going good days seem to fly by, and months feel like days.

But when things are going bad..a week can feel like a month.

This may be because when things are going bad, we tend to learn more ultimately.. this world is a school of conciousness after all, and we did not come here to live happily ever after, but just because this world is a literal Hell, where fire and suffering are common place, does not mean we can not create little pockets of Heaven.

But i have to say there is a part of me thinking that we like to think it is all for the good. Because admitting some things are shit for no reason alone than the part that we are stuck in a fucked up system taking away our free will is very confronting and depressing. Hence perhaps we romanticize being fucked up, to take away the pain induced trough this system?

On one hand i totally agree that without experiencing hate we dont know how to experience love. But i wonder on the other hand if a system with the emphasis on hate and fear leaves opportunity for an healty experience of love and inspiration. And if we therefor can predict this conditioning is right for us. We can only assume so because we can't simulate outside our own conditions.

The only way to know such thing is if we could examine people outside the conditioning which is a hard task cause most of isolated tribes are wiped of the planet for religious or economic purpuses or corrupted in the past.

My conclusion is that my 'bad' experiences have given me tools indeed, and perhaps there was reason and planning in that. But in my little pockets of heaven, like in my childhood for example where i had no idea of hate and fear in many periods; in those periods my intuition would still have lead me to growth. Even though i did not have to suffer. It was healthy curiousity and inspiration doing that. Two energies who have a hard time coming up with to much 'negativity'.

Anyway I am thinking there are different types of hell. Some are more obvious then others. Where some have experienced physical/mentall abuse and scarcity in a visible way, i still think that perhaps some 'normal' people are affected by the system and consciously/emotionally numbed down. Unable to learn to follow their bliss. And therefor have no sense of direction. With the walls of their comnfortzone as their own build fortress of hell. Its all a matter of perception really that defines purpose.

Perhaps it is half/half. One part your intuition and purpose to experience the full spectrum of your feelings and thoughts to grow. And another half we dont have any influence on that got 'out of control' the beast system. 'the serpent'.

When we are younger we could not wait to be grown ups.. not that we are grown ups we wish we could go back to that carefree life. It is also the same for people who come to realize the system and are not content with the illusionary treasure of the Prison of Sorrows, some people wish they could go back to sleep and only care about making money and purchasing material things to fulfil their life. But there is no going back, once you learn a lesson you can not unlearn it...

As for your idea of intuition, Descartes said it best:

Whatever I have accepted until now as most true has come to me through my senses. But occasionally I have found that they have deceived me, and it is unwise to trust completely those who have deceived us even once.

The free will debate is the same as the religious one, it will go on forever... I can only say that personally in my life, a series of events have led me to realize, that there are forces which we do not understand, that are controlling us for whatever reason. This is based purely on my own experiences on not on what I believe or sense.

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I thought I would post it here, seems somewhat relevant.

It is a short documentary looking at fear..

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that was quite an interesting post... somewhat lacking from the documentary i found these points:

personal responsibility: excessive fear, like other mental disturbances, are a burden on the mind of those who suffer from them, and we should try to help those who suffer, but, these burdens are ones which they must learn to come to terms with themselves, as more often than not, those who suffer, create this fear or disturbance themselves, in short: they must accept responsibility and deal with it (me included, of course... i found a super way to no longer be afraid of life: accept i am afraid of certain things, and not forbid myself of being afraid, be more curious than afraid, and joy will follow you.

imagination: the power of fear is in imagining cases/ scenarios which might endanger you, believing those, and then "circumventing" the damage. As a child i used to roller skate a lot, there was a huge "half pipe", with straight vertical walls about 5 meters down, which i was too scared to ride, i went on the smaller ones, but i never managed that one, for i was always imagining how i would fall horribly and break something. The question that puts you, and your fear, to the test is: will this really happen, and what will you risk to find out? / is it worth the reward.

in the beginning of the video the question was asked, by the documentary film maker himself, "how did we go from rational fears to irrational fears", this was an interesting question and somewhat of a cliffhanger, which i did not find answered to my satisfaction throughout the video.

a good, well put together project though, and hopefully he will keep making his documentaries.

maybe he will even be brave enough to suggest, or somehow imply, it is indeed the illuminati manufacturing and injecting fear, controlling the population with illusions, fear and false flag terrorism.

as for how FEAR fits into the spiral of life, you know, the PHi spiral, represented by 1.618 numerically is SO simple, PI on the other hand, seems like a random, erratic pattern.

I bring this up because, when people are AFRAID, their brainwaves, heart pattern (yes this varies too!), all sorts of things become... de-synchronized, and down right erratic. Do you see the parallel? What do you think of it?

some people wish they could go back to sleep and only care about making money and purchasing material things to fulfill their life. But there is no going back, once you learn a lesson you can not unlearn it...

I disagree on all three accounts: what people truly wish for is the comfort they once had, whilst staying conscious of the illusion, if they could do so, they would. there must be a balance struck between comfort and exploration/adventure.

People do not only care about money, money represents value, and when the implicit value of money is threatened and called into question they start wondering about things which have REAL value, much the same way which people on this forum such as yourself have now become distanced from this moon-ey, and placed their sight instead on things of "more real" value. People only care about purchasing material things to the degree they can squeeze out some drops of satisfaction from this, when they learn there is no more to be had, or EVEN a better way (such as love, adventure, following their calling), then they go for that. Much like you and I did, once upon a time *Knocks you off your high horse*.

The reason you are miserable, otoel, if you are, is because you believe in the judgement which you hold of other people, without realizing that they rest above your own head, and are heaviest of all, for you, let go and become one with "god" which is all that is "good".

There is a "going back", even if it is not the way we came, if you go forward long enough, given that the universe is a gigantic fish bowl, and that a geometric structure underlies it, you will end up where you were, "in the beginning".