The Truth About Your Birth Certificate...

Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:43 am » by **Debunkerace**

cecil1 wrote:
debunkerace wrote:No.

No in relation to what? Ambiguous answers do not help.

debunkerace wrote:A certificate is not a contract.

Your point?

debunkerace wrote:Did you miss the part where it says "Voluntarily"?

Did you miss the part where it says enforced as law?

debunkerace wrote:Acts and statutes are not Law, acts and statutes does not create a legal obligation,

So your saying that a statute or act, which is a rule of a society enforced as law within that society, will not be followed by that society??? The society is obligated, nevermind you.

debunkerace wrote:that's why i say, show me the contract, until you show me a signed contract i am not obligated to fullfill any,

But that society does have to, unless you're claiming that a statute or act is NOT a legislated rule of that society enforced as law?

debunkerace wrote: i did not enter a contract with the state or anybody else simply by being born, i was born free and independent, what the state does is fraud simply because there is no contract.
Same as Taxes, fishing and drivers licences, tickets issued by police, councils issuing whatever they are issuing, simple fraud, nothing more, nothing less.
Without a contract what you call Society is a fraud, i did not voluntarily enter a society by signing a contract and therefore the socalled society cannot tell me what to do.

Previously you admitted there was a contract, there is a contract that exists you have admitted regardless your consent or not, the obligation to fulfill that contract is met by the society for whose statutes and acts they are for. Of course you are not obligated but they are. As for fraudulent perhaps there was no consent given but if you contest them be assured the response you will get is this one :

19. Notwithstanding any other Act or law, no person who obtains information or documentation under this Act shall be required, in connection with any legal proceedings, other than proceedings relating to the administration or enforcement of this Act or criminal proceedings under this Act or any other Act of Parliament, to give evidence relating to any information or documentation that is privileged under this Act or to produce any statement, document, writing or portion thereof containing any of that information or documentation.

1980-81-82-83, c. 107, s. 51.

debunkerace wrote:Everybody on earth is born free, what you do from then on, is up to you.

I choose to educate myself... how about you?

The answer is No there is no contract, and i did not admit to there being a contract, except maybe in your imagination.
And you have just shown by deliberatly twisting my words that you are a waste of time, so have fun educating yourself. :roll:

Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:14 pm » by **Cecil1**

debunkerace wrote:The answer is No there is no contract, and i did not admit to there being a contract, except maybe in your imagination. Let's say for the sake of argument there really is no contract... who gives a care? The society has to follow it's legislation regardless of your obligations to a nonexistent contract and the legislation reads as thus :

Trust property
(3) For greater certainty, for the purposes of this Act, a separate trust exists with respect to all assets, investments or property

What's it say about this trust that exists regardless of your imagination debunkerace?

Presumptions
(3) For the purpose of determining whether a partnership or trust is a non-eligible person, the partnership or trust shall be deemed to be a corporation incorporated in Canada or elsewhere, and

(b) with respect to a trust, the beneficial interests in the property of the trust shall be deemed to be shares of the corporation, the owners of those beneficial interests shall be deemed to be shareholders of the corporation and the trustees shall be deemed to be members of the board of directors of the corporation.

1980-81-82-83, c. 107, s. 38.And you have just shown by deliberatly twisting my words that you are a waste of time, so have fun educating yourself.

Thanks for effectively proving you refuse to educate yourself. You belong in walmart I suppose? What are the sales today? lol. :sunny:

Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:42 pm » by **Bradl**

To whom it may concern, watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdybGEfAWK0
Slavery by consent

Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:50 pm » by **Iamthatiam**

bradl wrote:To whom it may concern, watch this.

Upload to Disclose.tv

Slavery by consent

Maybe this shit should be signed with blood( :evil:

), but then, we are not legally able of making such decisions...Which means, this fokking piece of paper could be revoked, through legal breaches, I guess...Since I didn`t consent this stuff, neither name, nor any legal bond and implication connected :think:

Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:00 am » by **Debunkerace**

cecil1 wrote:Thanks for effectively proving you refuse to educate yourself. You belong in walmart I suppose? What are the sales today? lol.

"Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot."

Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.

Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:03 am » by **Jet17**

There is a separation of powers that we are given.

while you do have a right not to have a birth certificate, good luck getting a job, or applying for things that require documentation.

Glad I have one, because I can get a job whenever I want then.

Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:05 am » by **Jet17**

debunkerace wrote:
cecil1 wrote:Thanks for effectively proving you refuse to educate yourself. You belong in walmart I suppose? What are the sales today? lol.

"Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot."

Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.

Qualifications, Security of yourself (criminal record), and seeking out particular knowledge is the answer....

Good manners don't hurt, but they don't get you everything.

Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:20 am » by **Iamthatiam**

jet17 wrote:
debunkerace wrote:
cecil1 wrote:Thanks for effectively proving you refuse to educate yourself. You belong in walmart I suppose? What are the sales today? lol.

"Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot."

Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.

Qualifications, Security of yourself (criminal record), and seeking out particular knowledge is the answer....

Good manners don't hurt, but they don't get you everything.

Jet, you know that I work directly to the legal sys mate, however, what I'v been sensing here regarding this stuff, is a collective questioning about 'till what extent ppl are supposed to live a life without being free to choose...This is a sociological problem that reached epidemic proportions...And I particularly believe it to be fair enough, after so many lies and manipulations! :flop:

Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:26 am » by **Bradl**

Choosing to have a birth cert is not viable cause your parents sign it for you at birth before you have an understanding or an option.Parents generally are unaware what it actually means.Only alternative IMO is to bring back the old "Registrar of births" as opposed to "Certificate of Birth".The church traditionally did this. Making it a "Registration of Birth" negates the "ownership or debt" that is implied by the definition of "certificate". But the PTB would oppose this with their dying breath.
Dreams are still free I think.

Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:29 am » by **Jet17**

iamthatiam wrote:Jet, you know that I work directly to the legal sys mate, however, what I'v been sensing here regarding this stuff, is a collective questioning about 'till what extent ppl are supposed to live a life without being free to choose...This is a sociological problem that reached epidemic proportions...And I particularly believe it to be fair enough, after so many lies and manipulations!

yeah and legal systems vary from country to country.

choosing to register your birth so others can check to see if you are secure for a accounting job if you were once charged for fraud to me isn't a infringement.

it's a collective achievement to be able to see if people are qualified for positions.

If they don't accept that "responsibility" then they forfeit the way to life that everyone else engages in.

They do have a right to do it though, they should also know that with accepting that comes consequences should you "try" to engage in activities like everyone else.

A birth certificate itself is just a piece of paper, that states who you are and that you are a registered American....

if there is a conspiracy or alternate way of life that requires you don't need one, then you should choose to live without those privileges that the others get to have, for their own security.

this isn't an agency saying, you must go to a fema camp if you don't get a birth certificate, it's just a sheet stating your existence.

once again, this is all talk, with common law, with little in the way of actual Case by Case results.

I am for people's rights too, but some people should realize you can't get everything just by being born and not adhering to certain certification... it's like saying, I am born so, therefore, I should be able to get healthcare for free to keep me alive....

it just doesn't work that way, it requires realism.