The Truth About Your Birth Certificate...

[Demobe Profile]

Where Is The Birth Certificate Here ...LOL


IAm As Alwasy

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Me Say We Are Trapped Since Birth


Ps I Don't Know How To Survive In The Nature Sad But True
This Is The First Thing We All Should Learn In schools,
Just My thoughts Peace

Demobe, there is nothing to save...

either you live in the woods without established civilization as a free person.

or you recognize privileges and rights and comprehend that they are there for you to get things in civilization. it's really that easy.

do you believe people should just take what they want despite it being in someone else's home?

My Friend I Believe We Can Do Borth,

I'm Just Sick Of All These Fucking Peppers ,rules And Law That Dont Mean Jack shit In The Real World, we Are Handicaps When It Comes To Nature, Sometimes I Think What If One day Evrything That We Know Is Gone, Electricity And All The Goodies That We Have Now. I dont Know Evrytime I Think About It, It scares The Shit Out Me


We Can We Do Borth? I Belive We Can, Its Just What I Belive

[Jet17 Profile]

Jet, you know that I work directly to the legal sys mate, however, what I'v been sensing here regarding this stuff, is a collective questioning about 'till what extent ppl are supposed to live a life without being free to choose...This is a sociological problem that reached epidemic proportions...And I particularly believe it to be fair enough, after so many lies and manipulations!

yeah and legal systems vary from country to country.

choosing to register your birth so others can check to see if you are secure for a accounting job if you were once charged for fraud to me isn't a infringement.

it's a collective achievement to be able to see if people are qualified for positions.

If they don't accept that "responsibility" then they forfeit the way to life that everyone else engages in.

They do have a right to do it though, they should also know that with accepting that comes consequences should you "try" to engage in activities like everyone else.

A birth certificate itself is just a piece of paper, that states who you are and that you are a registered American....

if there is a conspiracy or alternate way of life that requires you don't need one, then you should choose to live without those privileges that the others get to have, for their own security.

this isn't an agency saying, you must go to a fema camp if you don't get a birth certificate, it's just a sheet stating your existence.

once again, this is all talk, with common law, with little in the way of actual Case by Case results.

I am for people's rights too, but some people should realize you can't get everything just by being born and not adhering to certain certification... it's like saying, I am born so, therefore, I should be able to get healthcare for free to keep me alive....

it just doesn't work that way, it requires realism.

My friend, realism is what we make of our surroundings....By accepting the way others established these paradigms, I'm also agreeing with an entire chain of implications!

I'm realist, and I'm also Realist, when it's convenient, but I'm pursuing what is Real to my heart and mind...

Governments are just corporations with power to authenticate what is self-arbitrated by these, this is why the system tends to disintegration, because it ultimately doesn't considers the ideas and desires of the very ones whose it directly depends from!

Without the correct measure of Anarchy, this unfair status quo would never be moved from what is presently condensed as granted, inside the collective mind! A birth certificate is just a piece of paper, why then it generates more and more debates? See, this piece of paper is representative of an secular bondage exercized by the established powers, which self-proclaimed to be 'Governments'....It's all a well orchestrated lure, my friend...Now, authenticated by the propaganda machine, yielded directly or indirectly by these corporations, they can tell you your exact place inside this feedbacking structure of manipulation...

It's NEVER just a piece of paper, being though one of the best symbols of the comtemporary slavery. The same system that proposes services in exchange of your citzenship is always breaking rules created by the system itself, only because to these corporation a.k.a. Governments are self-delivered the ability of doing so through one of their three heads, and I believe that to be an universal structure: Legislative, Judiciary and Executive...

This is why I completely understand people's questioning about this issue, whether being realistic inside the scenario created by these Corporations or not, it's not up to me to be deciding...I never deliberate the law when I'm applying it (I work as an Executive Power's Authority), but I oftenly allow myself the luxury of be questioning the 'reality' chosen by the same 'Mechanism' which usually doesn't fulfill it's end of the bargain!!!

It generates debates, because people want to have things (possessions) without having things (certification), which is a paradox of logic...

you can not ask for things that civilization has generated, if you yourself do not play by the rules...(stealing)

an example would be:

I have a house, I have stuff that I bought in my civilized world, with that world currency.

some man comes into my house and says: "It's mine and I shouldn't have to prove it, because everything in the world is everyones, as we are a free people."

that is what I am getting at, as you can see with the above example, it would be stealing by a civilizations point of view, but to a "freeman" it would be imminent domain.

so the debate consists upon:

1. if you are to live free, you can break any rule you want because you believe you are born free, that includes taking things as it belongs to everyone on this planet, not by mere established law, but by a "freemans" law.

2. if you are to establish yourself in a civilized world where you engage in this civilization, and use their currency, work hard to achive possessions, then they are your possessions for NO ONE to take.

The civilized man, believes that he is entitled to these things because he recognizes that he is privileged to live in such a world where entitlements are granted through hard work, and ownership.

The freeman, believes that he is free, is allowed to do as he pleases as long as he doesn't hurt anyone, but this negates recognizing established principles of civilization, ownership, and entitlements.


I can identify with both of them, but there is also a happy medium, where people should be as free as possible, but also recognize that little things like "birth certificates" are there to count you into a society in which you establish yourself into and are accounted for your actions.

there can be a debate with these things, but one side will never win over another. because both involve too much freedom, where one would involve to less of freedom.

that is why there is individual rights and privileges.

only that some privileges overstep their boundaries in favor of corporatism / government, where other privileges are there for prevention, protection, and progression.


@ demobe, I got you, I feel the same way man, I believe in compromise, but retaining individual rights.

[Cecil1 Profile]

"Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot."

Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.

you are a waste of time, so have fun educating yourself.

And you have just shown by deliberatly twisting my words that you are a waste of time, so have fun educating yourself.

I rest my case.

As hypocritical as it is aye you did.

Try this quote, "One who refuses to educate themself remains ignorant." ~ Auther=Me

[Cecil1 Profile]

I have a house, I have stuff that I bought in my civilized world, with that world currency.

some man comes into my house and says: "It's mine and I shouldn't have to prove it, because everything in the world is everyones, as we are a free people."

that is what I am getting at, as you can see with the above example, it would be stealing by a civilizations point of view, but to a "freeman" it would be imminent domain.

so the debate consists upon:

1. if you are to live free, you can break any rule you want because you believe you are born free, that includes taking things as it belongs to everyone on this planet, not by mere established law, but by a "freemans" law.

2. if you are to establish yourself in a civilized world where you engage in this civilization, and use their currency, work hard to achive possessions, then they are your possessions for NO ONE to take.

The civilized man, believes that he is entitled to these things because he recognizes that he is privileged to live in such a world where entitlements are granted through hard work, and ownership.

The freeman, believes that he is free, is allowed to do as he pleases as long as he doesn't hurt anyone, but this negates recognizing established principles of civilization, ownership, and entitlements.


I can identify with both of them, but there is also a happy medium, where people should be as free as possible, but also recognize that little things like "birth certificates" are there to count you into a society in which you establish yourself into and are accounted for your actions.

there can be a debate with these things, but one side will never win over another. because both involve too much freedom, where one would involve to less of freedom.

that is why there is individual rights and privileges.

only that some privileges overstep their boundaries in favor of corporatism / government, where other privileges are there for prevention, protection, and progression.


@ demobe, I got you, I feel the same way man, I believe in compromise, but retaining individual rights.

There is no such thing as ownership in reality it is a concept of the mind, but I agree that there should be a higher common sense with the usage of material items or there will be examples as jet gave above, such as "stealing", another way of saying it would be, removing the item so and so uses to (eg) "make a living."

Instead of certificates maybe the people could practice good moral ethics... just a thought.

[Iamthatiam Profile]

No one should need to embase it's own sense of freedom over a sheet of paper, right?

However, this isn't true for many reasons, which one of these consists on the fact that the unconscious mind works Symbols, instead of specific informations with which cannot be easily associated to an aggregated pool of primordial designs! The Birth Cert. gained through time more than just a Bureaucratic meaning, it became a Symbol...And Symbols are always passive of being put as representatives of lesser meanings. This is why this Symbol is being attacked! Because in it consists the analogy between the Chains, and how this present system manages to keep it's 'Citzens' bounded inside the Inhuman perception used as a tool to keep the said 'well being' of the overall populace; Note that when I say 'overall populace', I'm addressing to the ones unable to overcome this Synarchy Masqueraded as Democracy imposed by the necessity to keep the great majority of the population as the Base to this Pyramid of Power, this is how this Pyramid like Structure has being kept for centuries.

There is a line between Rights of Property, and the Right of Citzenship, which becomes thiner as the bureaucracy strenghtens itself to preserve the same status quo established by the system, to protect the system...This Matrix of rules and regulations tendentiously designed to keep the well being of just a single being: The System....From this perspective you and your possessions reckognized as your 'Legal Properties', become no more than Things..Cells, inside this Feedbacking bio-machinery like structure. To cite two examples of what I'm exposing here: The first, my favourite, Imagine you just put one of your hands over a very hot burger frying pan, the other hand inside a strong freezing fridge..Guess what; From the System's perspective there is nothing wrong happening to you!!! The other one: Let's lock two hungry individuals inside a room with two delicious double burgers, but only one manages to eat the two burgers...Again, the System 'understands' as not having starvation inside the given room!!!

This is the same system regulating your 'Rights', my friends...The same System which in order to be better feedbacking itself will be 're-routing' it's 'Blood' (Money) to whatever end better suits itself, and itself only...The rest are mere cells, animate or inanimate inside this fucked up Inhuman structure which had been empowered through many time as a Being...An ENTITY created to a single purpose, preserve itself whatever/whichever the costs, also protecting those aware of these 'Mechanics' and how to emplace themselves as key feedbacking elements at the tip of it, the confortable Capstone of Power!

[Welcomechange Profile]

[Hansom Profile]

The birth certificate doesn't bind you to anything, it is your belief that binds you.
You are bound by the concept and legal doctrine of, estoppel by acquiescence.

As for not being able to function in this society without a birth certificate, let me give you an example.
This weekend my brother and I cleared my neighbour's path of the snow, as they are elderly.
They offered to pay us for our trouble, we declined their kind offer saying "There really is no need to give us anything, honestly we don't mind".
After they insisted we take the money, we humbly accepted their offer giving our gratitude, thinking it might seem rude not to after they've insisted so much.
It was never our intention to gain from our endeavour, it was just the right thing to do.
At no point did my neighbour ask me or my brother for our birth certificate, nor did we ask our neighbour for theirs.

I am for people's rights too, but some people should realize you can't get everything just by being born and not adhering to certain certification... it's like saying, I am born so, therefore, I should be able to get healthcare for free to keep me alive....

it just doesn't work that way, it requires realism.

No, it requires compassion and empathy.
Personally I can't find any justification whatsoever to deny another sentient being healthcare free of any obligation.

"I believe the cost of life is death, and we will all pay that in full. Everything else should be a gift. We paid the cover charge of life, we were born" - Bill Hicks

The only ones not entitled to certain things in life are those that take that entitlement from others.
Of course they are entitled to a fair hearing to find out why and whether their actions were just.

[Dagnamski Profile Website]

If you were to have a child and not register them, what would be the possible consequences? advantages?

[Iamthatiam Profile]

If you were to have a child and not register them, what would be the possible consequences? advantages?

I wouldn't recommend you do that! Your child will be marginalized, as our friend Jet correctly put...

But I also recommend you to keep questioning until everyone decides to change, and then, this monster called 'system' won't be able of prevent you all of doing your own adjustments, but do it fast, because the next step will be a Microchip...Nicknamed by the ones of my circle as MICROCHIMP, implanted as soon as your childs are born!!!