kris75 wrote:The Vatican confirms the possible existence of extraterrestrials
I WISH I KNEW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING
First off, Maussan is a terrible person for doing what he did to Pedro. Maussan should pay, but it will not matter when "they" show, if they do.
The video is stating the interest of the Vatican on "ET's" from 2008 to present. What I find interesting is they apologize to the injustice they gave Galileo.
I wonder what changed the Vatican's mind about "ET's"
Vatican and NASA Conference discuss implications of finding Alien life
A conference was held with over thirty top astrophysicists,astronomers,scientists, NASA officials, and the Vatican to discuss the implications of finding Alien life on other planets and the ramifications of that discovery to world religions. Last year conference the Vatican chief astronomer pointed out that Saint Francis considered the idea that Earth's animals were man's brothers. Why wouldn't alien life or aliens be considered our brother also in the main idea of God's creation of the Universe.
Above is a picture of the ceiling at Saint Louis Basilica in Saint Louis the dome structure when looking up looks like a flying saucer like structure. In the middle the Tetragrammaton sits in the middle which is the name of God.
The major discovery of water on the moon and the possibility it exists on other planets was announced last year. Water is a major component for life. The discovery this year of thousands of exoplanets like Earth brought the news of more possibilities of life in the universe. Earth is not unique in fact far from it. It seems that NASA and the Vatican are working on the best plan on telling the people of the Earth that finding Alien life is coming soon possibly. The news that Titan has some indications that alien life may exist came out this year also. It seems the agenda of slowly giving pieces of information to the public continues. The concern is the ramifications to human race which has a spiritual history and what the affects of a reality of alien life existence.
Elijah and Ezekiel had encounters with heaven and the creatures from heaven. Ezekiel was taken to heaven in a fiery chariot. Religious art over the centuries have portrayed these encounters. The Catholic church has placed the imagery and art in their churches.
The Vatican discussed the issue and debated with the scientists of NASA on the issues down the road. Vatican and Science have had a great war in the past. Galileo is a prime example where he was arrested and tried for his scientific announcement that the Earth rotated around the Sun. The Church's doctrine of suppression has changed to now taking the initiative of working with science hand in hand.
I'm giving the heads up to people that the Vatican and NASA are preparing a strategy on how to deal and prepare people's spirituality with the fact of aliens. If you discover alien life on a planet then it won't be too long before intelligent alien life becomes the next conclusion. How does the God play into these discoveries. Genesis may have to be reviewed and the idea of original sin evaluated was a conclusion brought up by the Vatican. Eve and Adam eating of the Tree of Knowledge which created original sin and the Great Fall of mankind would seem possibly strange if discoveries of intelligent life on other planets.
Can mankind handle the news that we are not alone? How is the news going to be handled and so religious leaders have been brought in for the discussion. The Vatican may have had information centuries ago that this day may come. In cathedrals with their dome structures the congregation often looks up to a ceiling of stars, saucer like pictures, and angels. Angels were from heaven and the fiery chariot with its wheel takes Ezekiel to the heavens
Moses encounter with the angels and heaven. Many artwork show Moses with rays coming from his head which depict his radiant face and his ability to speak to God.
The Ark of the Covenant created by Moses was a powerful object which contained the stones given Moses from heaven. On this Ark of the Covenant is the symbol of the eye of RA on the Ark under the lamb . The Egyptian technology far advanced could have connections to the powerful deadly device of the Ark. One wonders for centuries the artists and churches have been giving us subliminal hints at what the future had in store for us. We need to prepare ourselves of the possibility that we are not alone in this universe. Religions play a intricate part in the dynamics of many human beings. Original sin plays a large part in the teachings of many churches and the story of Genesis. How will the news affect us and the change of consciousness of mankind. What do you think
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/vatica ... alien-life
Why the Vatican Held a Conference on Extra-terrestrial Life
t has generally gone unnoticed in mainstream Catholic literature that over the last two decades or so, the Vatican has publicly turned its attention to the subject of Unidentified Flying Objects and the possibility of the existence of extraterrestrial life on other planets. It is known that both Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI were given secret information about the existence of extra-terrestrial beings during their meetings with USA presidents, and maybe that is why the Vatican appears to be preparing itself to handle the biblical fall-out from the possible public disclosure of the reality of non-earthly intelligent entities.
The Holy See’s increasingly openness to discussion about the possibility of the existence of intelligent space-faring extraterrestrial beings appears to be part of a new policy secretly adopted by the United Nations back in February 2008, and the Vatican’s permanent representative to the UN, Archbishop Celestino Migliore, was reported to have been in attendance in the discussions about the implications of extraterrestrial visitation. As a result of the outcome of the United Nations decision, the Holy See hosted a week-long conference on astrobiology in November 2009, convened jointly by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Vatican Observatory. Though the Casina Pio IV in the Vatican grounds may seem an unlikely location to hold an ‘off-the-planet’ event, it was attended by more than 30 astronomers, biologists, geologists, scientists (many of them nonbelievers) and religious leaders who gathered to discuss extraterrestrial life. The Vatican’s astrobiology conference is a sign that maybe major global institutions are preparing for some kind of upcoming formal disclosure concerning UFOs with interstellar propulsion technology and piloted by advanced alien life-forms. It would only take the discovery and retrieval of a genuine other-worldly space craft downed in a remote location to challenge the very basis and validity of major world religions, and such an event could also provide the genesis of an entirely new scientific discipline.
Extra-terrestrials and the current meaning of religion
Speaking at the conference, Jesuit priest Father Jose Gabriel Funes, the Vatican’s chief astronomer and one of the officials in attendance, offered this explanation for the Vatican’s interest in UFOs and their occupants:
‘Although astrobiology is an emerging field and still a developing subject, the questions of life’s origins and of whether life exists elsewhere in the universe are very interesting and deserve serious consideration. These questions offer many philosophical and theological implications’.
(‘Guardian’, November 11th, 2009)
Fr. Funes had previously maintained that there is no clash between believing in Catholic doctrine and believing in the possibility of alien life on other planets. In an interview published in 2008 in the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, he said: ‘I think there isn’t [a contradiction]. Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures over the earth, so there could be other beings, even intelligent [beings], created by God. This is not in contradiction with our faith, because we cannot establish limits to God’s creative freedom’.
Not everyone agreed. Professor Paul Davies, a notable theoretical physicist and cosmologist from Arizona State University and a guest speaker at the Vatican event, told the ‘Washington Post’: ‘I think the discovery of a second genesis would be of enormous spiritual significance’. Around the same time, he added this comment:
‘The real threat would come from the discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence, because if there are beings elsewhere in the universe, then Christians, they’re in this horrible bind … they believe that God became incarnate in the form of Jesus Christ in order to save humankind, not dolphins or chimpanzees or little green men on other planets’.
(‘Guardian’, November 11th, 2009)
Professor Davies commented on the religious implications of discovering intelligent extraterrestrial life: ‘If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps. There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations’. Davies pointed out that from the theory of multiple incarnations, the idea that multiple examples of Jesus Christ would be found in the universe ‘is a heresy in Catholicism’.
The theological implications of intelligent extra-terrestrial life
Fr. Funes’ idea that Christianity could be exported to extraterrestrial worlds that have not experienced a ‘fall’ and are free from original sin, was not taken very seriously. However, amidst the intriguing discussions there is something of vital importance that has been generally overlooked, and it may be the true motive for the Vatican’s interest in intelligent, non-human, extra-terrestrial life. The Church presents the Holy Bible as the ‘word of God’, but if a race or variant races of extra-terrestrial beings landed on Earth, that claim would no longer be sustainable because the existence of non-humans would immediately nullify that presentation from the Bible’s own narratives.
It is not generally known that in the world’s oldest Bibles, narratives are found that negate the Church’s modern-day portrayal of the existence of only a singular God. The Aramaic Bible’s book of Genesis (Vol. 6, Wilmington, Delaware; Michael Glazier, Inc, 1987) relates that ‘gods’ called the Elohim (Elio; singular), created humans, with this written; ‘Let us make an earthling in our own image, according to our likeness’ (Gen; 1:26). The following verse (1:27) adds that the Elohim then proceeded to create ‘male and female’, a race of beings ‘in their own image’, words that imply that their new creations for Planet Earth were physically similar in appearance to the Elohim themselves. The original Hebrew word, Elohim appears in older Bibles, and suggests that a grouping of gods originally created mankind, not a singular God, as is now preached in both Christianity and Judaism.
A singular God came into Church dogma when later scribes replaced the word Elohim with YHWH, the name of the tribal god of the Hebrews, and that editorial adjustment removed the original references to a grouping of gods. Thus, a singular God was created with the flick of a scribe’s quill and a new religious concept was thereby created. In English Bibles, YHWH was later redefined as the Lord God, removing further still the ancient descriptions of a plurality of gods being involved in the creation of mankind on Earth.
The ‘Others’ in ancient traditions
As Fr. Funes presented a summary of the Vatican conference’s considerations, he added that questions about extra-terrestrial life are ‘very interesting and deserve serious consideration’. So too do the ancient traditions of Easter Island where references are found to several strange races of beings the locals called the ‘Others’. Carved petroglyphs depict some of them with enormous black eyes divided into sections like those of an insect, so much so that the islanders called them ‘the insect-man … their bodies were vividly striped with veins on the surface’ (‘Mysteries of Easter Island’, Francis Mazière, Collins (Publ.), St. James Place, London, 1969, pp. 40; 197). This is a definition of a race of beings considered by Easter Islanders to have been different in nature than humans, and the question then to be asked is this:
‘If the race of the ‘insect-man’ was to return to Earth today, how would the Pope explain to Catholics who or what created these non-human entities? He would be unable to say that they were the product of the God of the Old Testament, for the ‘insect-man’ is conceptually different from the ‘earthlings’ that old Bibles say were created by the Elohim’.
If ‘earthlings’ were made after the ‘likeness’ of the Elohim, then in whose ‘likeness’ was the ‘insect-man’ made? If there are dozens of different types of non-human extra-terrestrial races throughout the Universe, then that presupposes there are dozens of different creator-gods with dozens of different ‘Bibles’. Therefore, if interplanetary entities are proven to exist, the Church’s presentation of a singular God is immediately eliminated, and the Bible would be shown to be the ‘word’ of only one of many gods. Put simply, the existence of non-human, intelligent life forms would expose biblical texts as having no special authority, and then there would be no basis for the existence of either Christianity or Judaism.
Maybe the Vatican’s real concern is that it will have a major doctrinal updating situation on its hands if the existence of extraterrestrial entities is authoritatively announced by world governments at any time in the future. Worse still, what would the Pope say if an interstellar ‘star-ship’ from another dimension landed in the Vatican gardens and its captain asked to speak to the ‘leader’ to present him with the next Bible with a new belief system.
"Aliens? They are our brothers'
23/11/2011 - interview with the American Jesuit Guy Consolmagno, a theologian and world-renowned astrophysicist, research scientist at the "Vatican Observatory"
The prospect that in space there are other intelligent life forms, is increasingly becoming a reality can be fantastic. Worldwide scientific research on the subject in full swing. The major scholars in the field, even while admitting that there are no significant evidence, claim that more and more clues in favor of this hypothesis. And the Church, which over the centuries has always been very cautious on the subject, recently, by Catholic scholars of the highest importance, expressed opinions of great openness and even enthusiasm. "The idea that space there are other forms of intelligent life is not totally at odds with traditional Christian thought," says Professor Guy Consolmagno, Jesuit clergyman, theologian and world-famous astrophysicist. "For us believers, the study of the universe is a wonderful adventure that fills us with wonder at what God has created. We can not think that God is so limited as to create only intelligent beings on Earth. The universe could very well contain other worlds, with beings created by his own love. " Guy Consolmagno is part of the team of scientists of the Vatican Observatory, one of the oldest astronomical observatories in the world. It was commissioned by Pope Gregory XIII in the second half of the sixteenth century, the Vatican Observatory, which is now at Castelgandolfo, continued along the course of centuries, to make its contribution to astronomical research, with scientists of the highest order. In 1981, it was enriched by a second research center, "the Vatican Observatory Research Group" (VORG), in Tucson, Arizona, Mount Graham, at around 3000 thousand meters, which is operating a telescope with a mirror for almost two meters in diameter, which is the prototype of optical astronomical technology. From 1978 to 2006, the Vatican Observatory has been directed by the Jesuit Father George Coyne, an American of Baltimore, born in 1933, four degrees, a university professor. Now is directed by the Argentine Jesuit Father Jose Funes, Luis, 48, a pupil of Father Coyne, a theologian and a degree in astrophysics, well known in the scientific community to have done, when it was still very young, extraordinary research on certain types of galaxies. Guy Consolmagno is a leading researcher in the group of scientists of the Vatican Observatory. Born in Detroit in 1952, has a great scientific curriculum. Young graduate of the famous MIT ((MIT) in Boston, one of the leading research universities in the world, then earned titles in various other universities, becoming one of the leading experts of the complex and wide "planetary science", which includes numerous specializations. In addition, the study of the Universe has been a source of great Consolmagno for spiritual enrichment to the point that, in 1989, aged 37, decided to abandon a brilliant career in science to become worldly Jesuit clergyman. But religion has also continued his research. It is the author of numerous acclaimed books, and is the leading scholar in the world of scientific meanings of meteorites in relation to life in space. We met at the headquarters of the Vatican Observatory in Castel Gandolfo. There has to be Driving in research labs, the library which houses more than 22 thousand volumes, including the second editions of Copernicus, Kepler and Newton, and, with great kindness and availability, answered our questions. The Vatican Observatory is an astronomical observatory between most prestigious: the Church is therefore very interested in the study of the stars? "It is always. Suffice it to say that astronomy was one of the four subjects who formed the" Quadrivium ", ie the training course in medieval universities, founded by their Church. According to the teachings of our faith, we know that God created the universe out of love and who loves his creation to the point where he sent his only begotten Son to become its part. St. Athanasius in the fourth century, said the Incarnation of Jesus has made "holy" the whole universe. So, is studying how to pray. It is also a great way to know God better, to understand, if I may say so, his "style". " In the study of the stars is also provided for the hypothesis of the possible existence of other intelligent life in worlds unknown to us. The Church What do you think? "The Church, in this field relies on science, scientific research, but it is also very engaged in such research. In November 2009, through the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and in collaboration with the Vatican Observatory, the Church has made in the Vatican, a scientific enterprise that no one expected: an international conference of astronomers, biologists, geologists and religious who discussed a range of issues concerning the possible existence of extraterrestrial intelligent civilizations of origin. They were scientists from around the world, belonging to different religions and even some atheists. Scholars interested in the subject who wanted to confront each other and especially with the thought of the Church. The Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo, bringing the Pope's greeting to the participants, said, among the ' other, 'In the search for truth can make us fear because no science, just as the man open to new knowledge, contribute to create man as man, "indicating what the thrust of the Church on this issue, and that is" open to the absolute truth. '" And what conclusions have you come? "We, today, we know that the universe is comprised of billions of galaxies, each of which has billions of stars, with billions of satellites. And 'possible, therefore, that there are many Earth-like planets in the universe where life is possible. One day, Father Coyne in' interview said: "The universe is so large that it would be folly to say that we are an exception. '" She is one of the most recognized experts in the study of meteorites, or "pieces" of celestial bodies that fall to the ground. The study of these "finds" you may have clues about life in space? "And 'possible. Meteors and meteorites contain carbon compounds and water, basic substances from which it originated life on earth. Studying these fragments is exciting because involve a great field of research although still quite uncertain. "Here at the Vatican Observatory, we have a collection of" meteorites "unique. And 'special collection began more than a century ago by a French nobleman, the Marquis de Mauroy, donated to the Vatican by his widow in 1935 and then continued by scholars of the Observatory. It 'consists of more than five hundred thousand pieces of different meteorites. And they are pieces of incalculable scientific value. The study of these "fragments" exceptional data can be retrieved, which concerning the formation and evolution of the solar system. It is to have news of a time that is expressed by a formula like this: 4.5X10 to the ninth power. It means billions and billions of years ago. Information concerning the conditions that existed during and mmediatamente after the formation of our solar system, as well as planetary asteroids, the Moon and Mars. " What about possible intelligent life in space? "We can say that this study are derived from favorable important clues to the possibility that there is a life on other planets. " Some time ago in Australia meteorites were found with traces of DNA, the alphabet of life. That discovery, confirmed by some that probably the origin of life came from space. I read that on that occasion She was sent to Australia to study the matter. " "The discovery created a sensation. I went back to study the matter and resumed his studies in Rome of all the different meteorites in our collection. It 'a very great way of research, but difficult. It requires, as well as get to know the astronomy and astrophysics, number knowledge of geology, mineralogy, chemistry, metallurgy and even biology. It requires, above all, long, long time. " The Church teaches us that man is the son of God If aliens really existed, we should consider them our brothers? "We are all creatures of God be in any degree of" awareness "of self and existence of others, and that is free to choose to love others or to reject them, according to St. Thomas Aquinas would have the traits of the human soul, that is done "in the image and likeness of God." Thus, if the aliens had these characteristics of "intelligence" and "free will "would not only our brothers but would share with us the same" image and likeness. '" According to the teachings of the Christian Faith, Adam, head of humanity, at one point broke the ties of friendship with God and was expelled from Paradise, by transmitting to his descendants that the consequences of his sin. Then came Jesus, the Son of God who became incarnate and his passion and death on the Cross redeemed humanity reconciled again with God that way possible extraterrestrials may enter the redeeming work of Christ? "For now we do not know anything about the nature and history of the possible inhabitants of unknown worlds in space. One thing is certain: the center of faith is that Jesus is the Son of God made man, and that through him and in him all things were created. So, every created reality, all reality who is intelligent and free the universe has always a reference to the fundamental and radical creation by of God and the salvation event which takes place in Christ. "
http://www.aostaoggi.it/2011/novembre/2 ... s24737.htm
The vatican validating any alien presence is, to me, the scariest thing I have heard on the subject to date. I truly believe they are a conclave of demons and I will RUN from any ET species they endorse. Revelations speaks of them endorsing one of the Beasts. I think fallen angels and the vatican are like peanut butter and jelly....Danger, Will Robinson!
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