The World Will Change to Islam

Wed May 06, 2009 3:46 pm » by **Cornbread714**

drextin wrote:I know we should all be worldly and run off and live in some little european town hiding from the real world as we cast our all knowing eyes down on those still in the race.

I will you give you one thing cornbread. I was beginning to think your testicles were made of leather the way you straddled the fence as you do so often. Better jump back up there though before someone thinks you might actually agree with them. Can't have that kinda responsibility dangling over ya head.......isn't that many more places to run to. Remember.....no matter how far we run........we're still the product of where we're from.

I'm not exactly sure what all that is supposed to mean, Drex, but I think I have an idea.
Anyway, you're making assumptions about my life.
Last time I noticed, Europe was part of the real world, too. And maybe it's possible that I didn't run away, as you put it, from anything. Some people choose to live and work abroad. Something wrong with that?
I'm also not sure what race you're referring to: the human race? the white race? the rat race?

If I don't choose to get on a personal level too often here, it's true, is that fence-straddling?
I'm tempted to say some personal things to you, but I don't know you, so what would be the point? I've seen enough of you getting all puffed up like a bantam rooster on many other threads, I don't need to feed the flames.
If I don't rush to judgment on issues often, it's because that's how I try to live my life.
On this thread I'm trying to point out the long-term futility of hating a bunch of people (1.5 billion) who aren't going to go away anytime soon.
You know, I think it's possible to be hated and not hate back. I didn't say I'd never fight back, but somehow I think we have to find a way to co-exist or it's constant war, outright genocide, or total annihilation of both sides.
I don't like any of those options except co-existence.
I'm not saying be stupid, blind, manipulated, or invaded, and it's never black&white, overnight New Age solutions, I know better.
So, please, you or somebody give me some answers other than just fear about the Muslim threat; it's just like the Yellow threat, The Red threat, the Mexican threat, the Jewish threat, the Alien threat, the NWO threat, the Obama threat, the Alex Jones threat, the skeptic dis-info threat, the believer threat... and so on, ad nauseum. If you notice, I don't go on and on about most of these.
Ha, I just have to laugh at all these poor threatened folks out there.
My favorite threat is Monsanto. That's a pretty clear evil force that we have a little power to deal with, maybe.
I'm not for capital punishment (surprised?), but I'd love to see those bastards be fed a steady diet of Roundup until they drown in their own vomit.
So, I don't know why, but I love to focus my extreme negativity towards them. Maybe it's cuz I worked in their poisoned cornfields. They are my pet peeve, so to speak.

Anyway, back on topic,
What do you propose we do about the Muslim Threat? (Remember, 1.5 billion people)
What's the answer, pal?

Wed May 06, 2009 4:21 pm » by **Drextin**

cornbread714 wrote:
drextin wrote:I know we should all be worldly and run off and live in some little european town hiding from the real world as we cast our all knowing eyes down on those still in the race.

I will you give you one thing cornbread. I was beginning to think your testicles were made of leather the way you straddled the fence as you do so often. Better jump back up there though before someone thinks you might actually agree with them. Can't have that kinda responsibility dangling over ya head.......isn't that many more places to run to. Remember.....no matter how far we run........we're still the product of where we're from.

I'm not exactly sure what all that is supposed to mean, Drex, but I think I have an idea.
Anyway, you're making assumptions about my life.
Last time I noticed, Europe was part of the real world, too. And maybe it's possible that I didn't run away, as you put it, from anything. Some people choose to live and work abroad. Something wrong with that?
I'm also not sure what race you're referring to: the human race? the white race? the rat race?

If I don't choose to get on a personal level too often here, it's true, is that fence-straddling?
I'm tempted to say some personal things to you, but I don't know you, so what would be the point? I've seen enough of you getting all puffed up like a bantam rooster on many other threads, I don't need to feed the flames.
If I don't rush to judgment on issues often, it's because that's how I try to live my life.
On this thread I'm trying to point out the long-term futility of hating a bunch of people who aren't going to go away anytime soon.
So, please, you or somebody give me some answers.
What do you propose we do about the Muslim Threat?
What's the answer, pal?

First and only warning you will get. Do not ever make the mistake of trying to insinuate I'm a racist again. I of course meant the rat race. To think it could be anything but that is trying too hard to make the impression that I am.

And I have seen you on far too many threads be so damn scared of being labeled you refuse to show any conviction.

Now you've made many posts that have hidden jabs in them pointed at me. I've taken them all with good humor since you love to claim after the fact you were kidding. Toughen up big guy maybe I was too?

Let's not forget who was making assumptions about whose life first.

You don't get to make comments aimed at me and I don't respond in kind anymore. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you proved me wrong. That will not happen twice.

So now you are just saying no sense in hating a group that isn't going anywhere. What happened to me just being an inbred who didn't know any better? What happened to they aren't a violent religion?

Come on man......not pulling a mep and asking for links here just want to know what you are building this belief on. Or is it just the politically correct thing to say with no actual thought given to it?

Obviously in your quest to not make any rash judgments you've forgotten how to make a judgment period. Outside of your judgment of myself that is.

Wed May 06, 2009 4:59 pm » by **Cornbread714**

drextin wrote:
cornbread714 wrote:
drextin wrote:I know we should all be worldly and run off and live in some little european town hiding from the real world as we cast our all knowing eyes down on those still in the race.

I will you give you one thing cornbread. I was beginning to think your testicles were made of leather the way you straddled the fence as you do so often. Better jump back up there though before someone thinks you might actually agree with them. Can't have that kinda responsibility dangling over ya head.......isn't that many more places to run to. Remember.....no matter how far we run........we're still the product of where we're from.

I'm not exactly sure what all that is supposed to mean, Drex, but I think I have an idea.
Anyway, you're making assumptions about my life.
Last time I noticed, Europe was part of the real world, too. And maybe it's possible that I didn't run away, as you put it, from anything. Some people choose to live and work abroad. Something wrong with that?
I'm also not sure what race you're referring to: the human race? the white race? the rat race?

If I don't choose to get on a personal level too often here, it's true, is that fence-straddling?
I'm tempted to say some personal things to you, but I don't know you, so what would be the point? I've seen enough of you getting all puffed up like a bantam rooster on many other threads, I don't need to feed the flames.
If I don't rush to judgment on issues often, it's because that's how I try to live my life.
On this thread I'm trying to point out the long-term futility of hating a bunch of people who aren't going to go away anytime soon.
So, please, you or somebody give me some answers.
What do you propose we do about the Muslim Threat?
What's the answer, pal?

First and only warning you will get. Do not ever make the mistake of trying to insinuate I'm a racist again. I of course meant the rat race. To think it could be anything but that is trying too hard to make the impression that I am.

And I have seen you on far too many threads be so damn scared of being labeled you refuse to show any conviction.

Now you've made many posts that have hidden jabs in them pointed at me. I've taken them all with good humor since you love to claim after the fact you were kidding. Toughen up big guy maybe I was too?

Let's not forget who was making assumptions about whose life first.

You don't get to make comments aimed at me and I don't respond in kind anymore. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you proved me wrong. That will not happen twice.

So now you are just saying no sense in hating a group that isn't going anywhere. What happened to me just being an inbred who didn't know any better? What happened to they aren't a violent religion?

Come on man......not pulling a mep and asking for links here just want to know what you are building this belief on. Or is it just the politically correct thing to say with no actual thought given to it?

Obviously in your quest to not make any rash judgments you've forgotten how to make a judgment period. Outside of your judgment of myself that is.

Drex, no I don't think you're a racist. That was tongue in cheek, but I apologize, I see how you might take it wrong.
And please, don't put words like inbred in my mouth or those conclusions in your brain (did I say anything remotely close to that?), if I suggest anything, it's that sometimes Americans have certain slanted viewpoints - man, everybody has got slanted viewpoints. I was really surprised to find myself defending Americans over here. Lots of people have incredibly pre-conceived notions about us, too. But almost every one of those extreme anti-American views came from people who have never traveled there.
And I find the reverse to be true.
It's true, I am caught in the middle, and I don't have a lot of convictions when it comes to political alliances or side-taking.
I have a lot of observations and questions though, and sometimes, I think, a unique point of view.
Maybe I'm possible NWO recruit material for all I fucking know...
And dude, as far as the personal stuff, I've maybe teased you a little hard, but I always thought of you as sort of a buddy, and I hope it's never been too vicious :cheers:

If it wasn't for some die-hard stubborn semi-realists like you, this place wouldn't be much fun.
Believers are more annoying than skeptics. PC can be annoying, too, but I'm way less PC than you might imagine...

Thu May 07, 2009 9:17 am » by **Clawspiracy**

I think we have to find a way to co-exist or it's constant war, outright genocide, or total annihilation of both sides. I don't like any of those options except co-existence.
I'm not saying be stupid, blind, manipulated, or invaded, and it's never black&white, overnight New Age solutions, I know better.

I agree. We cannot ignore them. We cannot simply kill them... That makes us the monsters.

I suppose in the end this is my position as well: I am not 100% convinced we will have an answer. Sad, but true.

Fri May 08, 2009 2:44 pm » by **Bawdiemaude**

clawspiracy wrote:
...is it any of your business to rescue the girl stoned to death
and if you are a muslim is it any of your business to point out certain hypocrisy of christianity?

Yes! If I could take back one tour or day just to be there in that crowd and stop these men from killing that girl, I would. If I were handed the keys to a time machine I would go back and stop them... Yes. Because in my heart I know it is wrong what they did, the energy they released into the world infects us all... It was a part of me they stoned, and a part of me that did the stoning... How to reconcile this? I don't know. I hope that God will show me what my heart and mind cannot comprehend...

if my ( i can only speak for myself) intention is to raise my vibration/ consciousness and if i believe this ripples out and touches others, do i still have a moral obligation to actively intervene?

But are you truly speaking for yourself? Or do we speak for all of us? Our intention could be stronger if we focused on it together, no? So if our moral ground was to state that "No one should be stoned to death because of who they love..." is there not a chance for such a thing to happen? And surely you must realize that you've answered your own question...

..."this ripples out and touches others..." Exactly. By deciding to send out good energy, you are helping the world to heal the energy these men wrought. Just my opinion, but I stand by it firm.

yes and i think the reason i ask - is beacause i CANNOT watch those tapes, it does something to me that i cant recover from, witnessing cruelty like that.
At root - a pc attitiude, im sure - i believe that ppl that perpetrate horror like this for any reason, i believe that some place in them has died, likely cos something happened to them that killed it.....
this only makes it a little easier for me to send them love.....

my point Claw is there is ENDLESS inhuman acts that happen EVERY DAY and i get UTTERLY overwhelmed and depressed and i feel IMPOTENT to do anything.

YES i would love to rescue that girl - of course- every cell in my body longs for her release, but where does it end....what DO we stand against, yes of course NO STONING -its inhuman and barbaric....

and what about vicious gossip?

or lazy innuendo?

or demeaning children? verbal abuse?

any kind of abuse? or hate

or any prejudice?
ignorance?
brutality?
nwo?
\etc etc etc etc?

i want to believe that by being a pacifist and actively loving ALL my enemies, that i can act a bigger change than rasing a flag against a religion, no matter how inhuman their beliefs are.

and i believe that all that starts with loving oneself - every negative trait and shadow aspect, recognising it - owning it and loving it. ( not that i have succeeded -by any stretch)

then i think its easier to truly love people in the abstract and the personal.

it all starts with self-
said better by a man wiser than me

Fri May 08, 2009 2:51 pm » by **Bawdiemaude**

oh and

i think that its not being weak to love enemies......
its not weak to recognise the 'other' as human and scared too.

i think that the perception that love = weak, is a wicked twisting of something that is deeply powerul and an immutable truth.

loving takes courage, strength, fierceness and tenacity unlike anything else.

Hate is easy
prejudice is easy
violence is easy

its love that is for the courageous.

and ironically enough is that not the very seed that turned bad at root of every doctrine?
that love suddenly became singular. and wrapped up in a box saved for 'celebration days'?
and apparently some of us are just not worthy of it???

havers!

Fri May 08, 2009 5:06 pm » by **Spock**

zaff4444 wrote:Im interested in everybodys views are on this.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... Her_Family

No sympathy for that guy. He's a rabid dog and should be executed.