The Zeitgeist Movement / The Venus Project

Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:50 pm » by **TheDuck**

I still don't see what 'the teacher' has to do with the venus project..I suppose I'll have to take a look, that old guy (can't remember his name) the one who lives in a little venus project style house is still cool in my book

Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:52 pm » by **Towelie**

Completley agree its all about the new religion, the zeitgeist films are filled with religious stuff, the economic stuff in the movies was good but thats the truth they use to suck people in, then they fill yer head with the religious aspect.

Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:22 pm » by **Mav55555**

I have only just seen the zeitgeist movie and zeitgeist addendum, On face value i was like omg!!! .venus project- the only way forward where man can live in harmony with the earth and each other.
Admitidly i have to do some research into the validaty of the facts presented but straight away ....
from wiki

Senior lecturer in Ancient History Chris Forbes of Macquarie University has severely criticised part I of the movie as having no basis in serious scholarship or ancient sources, relying on amateur sources that "borrow ideas from each other, and who recycle the same silly stuff" and "not a single serious source" can be found in official reference lists attached to the movie. [28]. He notes that Ra, not Horus, is the Egyptian sun god, and that there is no evidence in Egyptian sources saying that Horus' mother Isis was a virgin. Similarly, neither Krishna (the eighth son), Dionysus (whose mother had slept with Zeus) nor Attis were ever supposed born of virgins. He points out that the pun between "son" and "sun" does not work in either Latin, Ancient Egyptian, or Greek, and that the December 25th birth is not part of any of the myths - including that of Jesus, for whom Christmas Day was appointed as a festival day in open knowledge that the real date was not known. He also criticises the movie's use of Roman sources to suggest that Jesus didn't exist, noting that a long list flashed across the screen of supposed contemporary historians that did not mention Jesus is actually comprised of geographers, gardening writers, poets and philosophers, who should not be expected to mention him. The allegation that Josephus' mention of Jesus was added later is criticised as misleading. Josephus actually mentions Jesus twice, with only one reference believed by scholars to have been doctored in the Middle Ages, but to change an already existing mention of him. He also argues that the film misrepresents Constantine when it presents him as making Christianity compulsory (when he only legalised it) and inventing the historical Jesus (when early church records show that the historicity of Jesus had been a key element of faith from early on). Of the film he says "It is extraordinary how many claims it makes which are simply not true." [28]

now im not so sure.

I have kids family and work so am quite busy as i guess you all are, its just you have to spend a lifetime of wading through the bullshit to get to the truth....

my questions are :

is addendum truthfull in facts? (nothing i could see on wiki at a glance)

does the monetry system actually work like that?

thanks for reading and thanks in advance for your help im really interested in this as most subjects raised on DTV

low nice one will read up on the stuff you posted.

Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:24 pm » by **TheDuck**

What is the new religion? how can they say they are against religions and then be for a religion? gotta be bull.. I dunno..

Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:32 pm » by **Towelie**

They say there against religions because it gets argued(not by me) that spirituality isnt a religion, but it is, its a group of people with likeminded spiritual beliefs - key word being beliefs of a spiritual nature, and thats a religion.

Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:38 pm » by **Rawdney**

towelie wrote:They say there against religions because it gets argued(not by me) that spirituality isnt a religion, but it is, its a group of people with likeminded spiritual beliefs - key word being beliefs of a spiritual nature, and thats a religion.

Interesting topic.

I don't consider myself religious, because I don't believe in a single entity of good or evil (God or Satan). I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, and I don't belong to a church. I also do not belong to a 'group' of people with likeminded beliefs. I do however consider myself to be spiritual (I don't believe that my human body is all that is me). Do you consider me to be religious? According to the wiki definition, I don't believe that I am...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:03 pm » by **TheDuck**

rawdney wrote:
towelie wrote:They say there against religions because it gets argued(not by me) that spirituality isnt a religion, but it is, its a group of people with likeminded spiritual beliefs - key word being beliefs of a spiritual nature, and thats a religion.

Interesting topic.

I don't consider myself religious, because I don't believe in a single entity of good or evil (God or Satan). I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, and I don't belong to a church. I also do not belong to a 'group' of people with likeminded beliefs. I do however consider myself to be spiritual (I don't believe that my human body is all that is me). Do you consider me to be religious? According to the wiki definition, I don't believe that I am...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

Just like me man but I'm far from religious, to be honest I don't think the Zeitgeist people are either, spiritual yeh, but controlling like religions try to be, nah.. just my opinion..

Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:10 pm » by **Towelie**

Being religious doesnt require a belief in God or Heaven/Hell just a belief you may say you dont belong to a group of likeminded individuals but do you think your the only one that holds those same spiritual ideals you may not all goto church or congregate together but it is a group with similar beliefs and if it involves a belief system its a religion.
If the definition of religion is looked at its clear that a spiritual belief is counted - "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe," and this is what spirituality is.
The only alternative is an atheist - a non theist - no beliefs.

Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:20 pm » by **Rawdney**

towelie wrote:Being religious doesnt require a belief in God or Heaven/Hell just a belief you may say you dont belong to a group of likeminded individuals but do you think your the only one that holds those same spiritual ideals you may not all goto church or congregate together but it is a group with similar beliefs and if it involves a belief system its a religion.
If the definition of religion is looked at its clear that a spiritual belief is counted - "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe," and this is what spirituality is.
The only alternative is an atheist - a non theist - no beliefs.

Ok. I understand. I think I may be an atheist then. I don't really have a belief system at all. I just truly 'feel', that I am not only this physical body. I feel that there is more to life than we know. Whether it is a scientific explanation, or a religious one, I am not sure. I really don't know how anyone can claim to 'believe' anything without proof? I guess that's why they call it 'faith'. Of which, I have none.

Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:53 pm » by **Electrobadgr**

@ Lowsix

Man, most of those links didn't work or the pages had been removed. Managed to track down "They are misleading you" on youtube and looked at the Institute of Noetic Science. It was interesting stuff but to be fair i found the links to The Zeitgeist Movement tenuous to say the least, maybe i needed to see the content of the other links to get the full picture and i will endeavour to look into this further for myself. At the moment it just doesn't sit right, there was no mention of Peter Joseph (the guy who made zeitgeist) and the video only indicates the Jacques Fresco shares a similar vision to the one detailed in the Lucifarian manual but didn't link him to the organisation in any way. In any case the "New World Order" detailed in the venus project and even the luciferian texts sounds a hell of a lot better than the one current NWO believers think is coming. Also at no point does Zeitgeist or Addendum make any reference to a new messiah, if anything it's encouraging people to think outside the confines of their religious beliefs and doesn't try to instill new ones. You have definitely got me curious though Low, you can be assured that i will delve deeper and get back to you with my findings :cheers:

Got to do something while i'm at work

Peace

p.s. thanks for posting all the info n links man, pity some of them didn't work :roll: