Thinking, thinking of thinking and so forth - on meta levels

Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:39 am » by **Samael**

nyarelathodep wrote:
allreadydead wrote:Thoughts are our very existance.

We can be objectivley aware of our own minds and the thoughts being produced by the mind, so would it be accurate to say there lies a level of consciousness beyond the mind itself, and thus beyond thoughts as well? This is somewhat similar to being able to be aware of ones own emotions being felt, but with a neutral viewpoint of them, in real "time". Pure perception/awareness of being? If thats the case, theres existence quite beyond thought.

We can never be objective.

Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:42 am » by **Nyarelathodep**

samael wrote:
nyarelathodep wrote:
allreadydead wrote:Thoughts are our very existance.

We can be objectivley aware of our own minds and the thoughts being produced by the mind, so would it be accurate to say there lies a level of consciousness beyond the mind itself, and thus beyond thoughts as well? This is somewhat similar to being able to be aware of ones own emotions being felt, but with a neutral viewpoint of them, in real "time". Pure perception/awareness of being? If thats the case, theres existence quite beyond thought.

We can never be objective.

Speak for yourself, Sam. I have been there.

Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:44 am » by **Samael**

As long as you are human, you are subject to subjectivity. No matter how much you run from it, no human shall ever perceive nor experience objectivity.

Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:47 am » by **Nyarelathodep**

samael wrote:As long as you are human, you are subject to subjectivity. No matter how much you run from it, no human shall ever perceive nor experience objectivity.

Whats human? Do you believe you are your mind? Your body? Some believe they are thier house, or car, or coach bag.

Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:48 am » by **G3n3sis**

Another Excerpt from Walter Russell's The Secret of Light:

When man knoweth light, then he will know no limitations, but man must know the light for himself and none there can be who can make words of it, for light knoweth light and there need be no words. – The divine Iliad

To know all things means to have all knowledge of the whole one idea of the cosmos as cause. It does not mean knowledge of created things which are effect of cause. The whole cosmic idea is simple. Its bewildering complexities lie in effect of cause. Man cannot know transient effect. He can know cause only. He can but comprehend effect. Man cannot know a sunset sky, for example, but he can comprehend it if he knows its cause. Knowledge is, therefore, limited to cause. All knowledge exists. All mankind can have it for the asking. It is within man, awaiting his awareness of its all-presence. Knowledge cannot be acquired by the brain from without; it must be recollected from within the consciousness of self.

Man cannot acquire knowledge from books or schools. He can but acquire information that way, but information is not knowledge until it is recognised by the spiritual consciousness of man, just as food is not nourishment for the body until it becomes a part of the blood stream.

For the same reason man cannot acquire knowledge from the so-called facts of matter, for there are not facts of matter in a universe of transient matter in motion. All matter in motion is but a series of illusions which deceive man into drawing wrong conclusions.

It is impossible for man to draw right conclusions from his observation of matter in motion until he has acquired the ability to translate dynamic effect back to cause. This he can do only through decentration to the one light of his conscious awareness of the source of all knowledge. Until he knows why of effect and its deceptions, he has no knowledge whatsoever upon which he can rely. He has naught but unreliable information.
Information concerning the body, for example, does not give knowledge concerning cause of body, or of the body’s relationship to the universe. Information of birth and death of the body, on the assumption that the body is self, never can lead to knowledge that body is not self, or that self is immortal.

Nor can information concerning the material body alone, its chemistry and its functioning’s, heal the body. Bodies manifest, but life is cosmic. Life is not in the body. Life is spirit, and spirit is still. Life is not chemistry or germ of matter. To heal the body so that it can manifest life of the spirit self of the body, one must give the unbalanced body the balance of the spirit. Knowledge of the light can alone do this. All the information in the world will not heal a body unassisted by the light in him who heals and in him who is being healed.
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His books are mind blowing and if you can spare $200 odd dollars then take the course in Natural Science, Universal Law and Living Philosophy

Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:53 am » by **Nyarelathodep**

You ever read any Collin Wilson, Genesis? If not, you would like "Mysteries" I think...really great stuff.

Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:56 am » by **G3n3sis**

I haven't, cheers for the referral, I will check it out.

Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:57 am » by **Samael**

We are the sum of the whole. The mind body soul spirit ego superego id will desire etc. and more. We are past present and potential.

Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:06 am » by **Nyarelathodep**

samael wrote:We are the sum of the whole. The mind body soul spirit ego superego id will desire etc. and more. We are past present and potential.

Part and wholes, desire/non-desire, polarities are machinations of the mind. Consciousness beyond this does not recognize duality...have you never experienced this state? I would be suprised if you said no, you strike as a pretty perceptive young man.

Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:18 am » by **G3n3sis**

Just to keep you busy, ive been in the process of putting all the great works together to see if they are talking about the same thing and it appears they are. Were talking about the rediscovery of a science and understanding - a reformation of the mind and society.

Walter Russell - was an associate of Tesla's: Tesla told Russell that he should lock his scientific knowledge away from humanity. Russell's cosmogony also reveals Edward Leedskalnin's understanding and his Coral Castle residence.
Victor Schauberger - associate of Herman Klaus
Vladimir Vernadsky
Karl Schappeller
John Worrell Keely
Nikola Tesla
E T. Whittaker
Herman Kemper
Gabriel Kron
Fratres Saturni/ Order of Saturn
Order of the Golden Centurion
Order of the Mentalic Builders
Order of Pythagoras

Check them all out.