Thoughts on Assisted dying

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PostSat Oct 27, 2012 9:13 pm » by Doogle


Is it your right to decide how and when you die? And is it a sign of a humane civilisation that when a person is a at a point where their life is a continual cycle of suffering that they should be able to end their own life whilst able to demonstrate that they are thinking relatively clearly?

We see it as humane to end an animals life to curb it's suffering, but what of humans?

There are deep ethical and religious thoughts on this and each of the major religions have there views, and here is a link to a concise run down of those views. It's the BBC site, but a fairly easy to read and understand guide:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/euthanasia/

I personally am not religious but I can appreciate the religious views to a point.


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PostSat Oct 27, 2012 10:53 pm » by Willynumbnuts


A difficult subject to discuss, but one that is important.

Firstly, the term 'assisted dying' was created by those who really didn't like the the expression 'suicide'.

But that's what 'assisted dying' is - no arguement please.

To commit suicide is the ultimate expression of 'free-will' so some say [but ask the japanese who practised it in WW2 and you will get a very different answer!] I have no real hard emotions either way on this subject.

Except to say, suicide is the last resort, the final act of a despertate mind (or a sick one) to take their own life - are the 'suicide bombers' having an 'assisted dying' episode?

All I'll say on the subject is that we don't choose life, it's thrust upon us by our parents, and do we have the right to end it when we see fit?

Many who commit suicide see no way out of their problems, be it debt or unrequited love, or a criminal act that they can't forgive themselves, or simply a weak personia when faced with adversity.

Suicide has and will always be the easy the way out - kill yourself and your problems are at an end.

But life is just so bloody precious, a tiny sliver of light between two immense darkness's that surely you must WANT to LIVE it to the full?

Life is not easy, pain is very real, life is so precious, hang on in there - you can always HOPE.

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PostSun Oct 28, 2012 12:41 am » by Doogle


Willynumbnuts wrote:A difficult subject to discuss, but one that is important.

Firstly, the term 'assisted dying' was created by those who really didn't like the the expression 'suicide'.

But that's what 'assisted dying' is - no arguement please.

To commit suicide is the ultimate expression of 'free-will' so some say [but ask the japanese who practised it in WW2 and you will get a very different answer!] I have no real hard emotions either way on this subject.

Except to say, suicide is the last resort, the final act of a despertate mind (or a sick one) to take their own life - are the 'suicide bombers' having an 'assisted dying' episode?

All I'll say on the subject is that we don't choose life, it's thrust upon us by our parents, and do we have the right to end it when we see fit?

Many who commit suicide see no way out of their problems, be it debt or unrequited love, or a criminal act that they can't forgive themselves, or simply a weak personia when faced with adversity.

Suicide has and will always be the easy the way out - kill yourself and your problems are at an end.

But life is just so bloody precious, a tiny sliver of light between two immense darkness's that surely you must WANT to LIVE it to the full?

Life is not easy, pain is very real, life is so precious, hang on in there - you can always HOPE.

Just watch a sunrise and you will understand what I say.

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Hi Willy

Yeah, it's suicide, but the word evokes high emotion; But suicide is an act that can , and will, be undertaken in situations that don't necessarily involve terminal illness.

Is it the sign of a weak person that doesn't want themselves, or their loved ones, to suffer anymore?

Death is a mystery, so could you call anyone willing to face it head-on when put in that situation through no choice of their own weak?

Life is precious, true, but does life end when your body does?

Anyway, you are right, this does need to be talked about.

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PostSun Oct 28, 2012 2:29 am » by Richc


I only have one thing to say on the subject.

I have had times in my life when an upset stomach was so painfull i would rather die.

I have many years ago had toothache so bad i wanted to die.

These pale into comparison to those that have terminal and perpectual pain through life ending illnesses.

I cannot comprehend how much pain those poor souls go through.

Whether assisted death is right or wrong i cannot in all consciousness tell them to suffer anymore. :cry:

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PostSun Oct 28, 2012 3:33 am » by Bravo69


I think that anyone who hasn't contemplated suicide just hasn't suffered enough (yet) to offer a fair appraisal...

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PostSun Oct 28, 2012 4:11 am » by Noentry


When I decide I no longer want to live, when life is to much to bear, I have already told my loved ones I will decide if and when I will end my suffering.


This is my right and my choice to make.
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PostSun Oct 28, 2012 4:48 am » by Aragajag


Suicide because you cant pay your bills or your girlfriend left you is far different from someone who has cancer and is looking death in the eye. Medically assisted death is a blessing over another few weeks of absolute agony where even morphine doesnt touch the pain, imo. My dad was in agony before he would even consider morphine for moral reasons but if it was me I would of duct taped the button to full on.

I asked my mum what she thought of assisted death after he died and got a yes nod from her, its fucked up that they only are prolonging agony and the inevitable but there is no so called lawful out, its a very personal choice and should be just that without outside interference on the matter of terminal illness, as each person has there own morals or belief system that should remain sacrosanct.

Personally I will not wait to be looked after by a govt funded hospital to the bitter end, they can haul my rotting carcass off to court and put me in jail.
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PostSun Oct 28, 2012 5:20 am » by Evildweeb


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