Thoughts on the religion and the world

Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:43 am » by **BilliamG**

All religions believe in a God, Gods, or one consciousness that we all share that makes up the universe. There are many differences in these religions but all believe in a higher power (one consciousness may believe that we ourselves are that higher power but just do not realize it). It seems like the end result of these religions are all the same (going back to God), the only difference being the details.

It makes me wonder why there can be such hate between different belief systems. "If you don't believe in my God you will go to Hell". I would argue that we all believe in the same God with just a different perception of exactly who He may be. We believe in the same God but just a different book. And everyones book has been altered and bastardized by man throughout the years. History clearly shows that religion has been used to control and impose the will of man and not so much the will of God.

I believe all religions have great lessons that can be learned and want to make it a point to study the different Holy teachings. But I would take them with a grain of salt at the same time as I know all of these texts have been written to control us although in such a way as to not completely show that. But even though I believe these books to be corrupted I do believe they were originally written with a good purpose in mind.

Why can't we understand that we all share the same God? People will obviously not and should not change there faiths, 1 is as good as the other, but why can we not see we are all brothers and sisters. Your religion doesn't really matter, you still worship the same God, you just have a different idea of them. And why can we not see that there are evils in these Holy books as well that it is obvious a loving God would not endorse? Things such as women being subservient, homosexuals being sinners, people who don't follow our same religion being vanquished to Hell, and many more.

Religion has been the basis of more violence and war than anything else on this planet. How can a religious person endorse this? Let alone many many religous people..... I think it is time for change on this planet and for everyone to come together in love and peace. None of us are lower than the other be it Christian, Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist, Atheist.... I personally believe this Earth and this Universe are too perfectly created to all just be random. Imagine how the world could be.....

These are just thoughts running through my head a lot lately and I would like to hear others thoughts... Also I am not a religious person and have only began thinking about this in the past year or so. However I do believe in God and I always have. I was baptised a Catholic as a baby but never went to church more than once or twice a year in my life. I am now older and have not been in a church for many years. I am wondering if anyone else has any opinions or thoughts they would like to add, whether you may agree or disagree with me...

Peace and Love

Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:49 am » by **Iwanci**

This is either going to be a very long thread ... or a very short one...

Many a debate has been had on this topic... and many a heated argument has ensued...

Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:08 am » by **BilliamG**

I personally don't mind if someone does not share my beliefs. There is nothing wrong with another point of view.... And someones religion is usually just based on where you were born.

IE Would a loving christian God condemn every muslim to Hell if the reason he were muslim was only because he was born in Iraq for example? Or vice versa of course. Think with your heart and not your ego.... I believe ego is the reason for these hard line beliefs, that or brainwashing.

The fact is nobody really knows, I am kind of agnostic in that sense, I believe in a higher power but of course I do not understand it, as I believe nobody really does. I do feel it would like all of us to evolve however.

Also based on personality type of individual person, if you are a strict Christian for example.... If you were born in another part of the world you would be a very strict follower of another religion. It is all where you are born and how you are raised. Why can't we understand this and thus understand very devout followers of other faiths. You may not believe in anothers creation story for example but why can't we understand why they believe it and respect that.

Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:34 am » by **TorJohnson**

"Religion has been the basis of more violence and war than anything else on this planet."

I'm a little tired of constantly hearing that. I mean, we all think this is true at some point in our lives until we learn a little more about history. Especially recent history.

The Neapolitan Wars had nothing to do with religion as far as I know, World War I was an attempt to usher in The League of Nations and a central banking system to be put in place, World War II was about global domination of non-religious ideologies, much of it based on scientifically supported eugenics, as well to establish the United Nations. The Cold War was a grab for resources for the superpowers, one of which was as anti-religion as you could get.

In total, the act of democide has killed some 260+ million people in the 20th century alone. Much of that was based on Darwinistic social-eugenics where the undesirables were killed by the state (usually Communist as in the case of Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, and Kim Jong Whatever).

And now comes Agenda 21, the population control idea and other such movements that are sure to cause the deaths of countless millions if "their" plans are to be believed.

So that's my take on this religion-is-the-source-of-all-our-woes theory that's been permeating the collective consciousness. It's obviously true to a point, but by my estimates science should be blamed for more deaths than religion in the last few centuries. But in the end, I'm not going to blame "science" in general like many people blame "religion". Beliefs, like guns, don't kill people, other people do.

This has been a TorJohnson rant. Thank you.

Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:25 am » by **Sevens**

Maybe you guys should listen to this video and learn something of the past because this is exactly where its all going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... mXg8Y&NR=1

and this is the only thing that will stop all this doctrine leading to death and destruction, many of the past and present will be missing in their assumed places.
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At the very END OF THE DAY they have to pass the judgment Justice courts of the Ancients of Days and many will be and are missing in their places.
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9. Present Status of the Rebellion,

(611.5) 53:9.6 We do not look for a removal of the present Satania restrictions until the Ancients of Days make final disposition of the archrebels. The system circuits will not be reinstated so long as Lucifer lives. Meantime, he is wholly inactive.

(611.6) 53:9.7 The rebellion has ended on Jerusem. It ends on the fallen worlds as fast as divine Sons arrive. We believe that all rebels who will ever accept mercy have done so. We await the flashing broadcast that will deprive these traitors of personality existence.

>>We anticipate the verdict of Uversa will be announced by the executionary broadcast which will effect the annihilation of these interned rebels.<<

>> Then will you look for their places, but they shall not be found. “And they who know you among the worlds will be astonished at you; you have been a terror, but never shall you be any more.”<<

>> And thus shall all of these unworthy traitors “become as though they had not been.” All await the Uversa decree.<<

(611.7) 53:9.8 But for ages the seven prison worlds of spiritual darkness in Satania have constituted a solemn warning to all Nebadon, eloquently and effectively proclaiming the great truth “that the way of the transgressor is hard”; “that within every sin is concealed the seed of its own destruction”; that “the wages of sin is death.”

(612.1) 53:9.9 [Presented by Manovandet Melchizedek, onetime attached to the receivership of Urantia.]

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-sta ... p-result-0
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“that the way of the transgressor is hard”; “that within every sin is concealed the seed of its own destruction”; that “the wages of sin is death.”
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and this is the law that they will all be judged upon and there is no escape

Seven commands
http://www.urantia.org/search/book_sear ... ommands%22

The LAW from the beginning, from the foundations of the world contained within the book of life of the Tree of life.

If you live by deceit and betrayal you will loose your life.

How you do you all these harbinger leaders of death and destruction faired according to the law of the beginning from the foundations of the world??
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751.3) 66:7.8 Hap presented the early races with a moral law. This code was known as “The Father’s Way” and consisted of the following seven commands:

1. You shall not fear nor serve any God but the Father of all.
2. You shall not disobey the Father’s Son, the world’s ruler, nor show disrespect to his superhuman associates.
3. You shall not speak a lie when called before the judges of the people.
4. You shall not kill men, women, or children.
5. You shall not steal your neighbor’s goods or cattle.
6. You shall not touch your friend’s wife.
7. You shall not show disrespect to your parents or to the elders of the tribe.

(751.11) 66:7.16 This was the law of Dalamatia for almost three hundred thousand years. And many of the stones on which this law was inscribed now lie beneath the waters off the shores of Mesopotamia and Persia. It became the custom to hold one of these commands in mind for each day of the week, using it for salutations and mealtime thanksgiving.

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-sta ... p-result-0
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If you want to know that I am right, how about the harbingers of death and destruction in a deceit go out and discover the truth for themselves by discovery and realization and live by the law of the Sevenfold Universe because I tell you all this Luciferian doctrine under a disguise will lead to the wages of sin, spiritual death and no amount of ritual will save your life in the judgment of day of the person.
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And many of the stones on which this law was inscribed now lie beneath the waters off the shores of Mesopotamia and Persia.

Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:28 am » by **Sevens**

Gods law of the Sevenfold Universe will not be mocked by man in his lust for loot and booty!!

Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:34 pm » by **Iwanci**

reality is that man doesn't have a lust for loot and booty, truly.. man has a lust to climb to the top of the food chain and to ensure his/her survival... greed is just a tool man has been given to ensure that he reaches the pinacle of the species...

I we eliminated all the loot and booty and a man's worth was based on his hair length.. we would have many long haired people walking around... man's greed is as natural an instinct as mans humility and mans ability to love.

Man is the cause of all wars btw,... not religion,, the fact that religion is presided over by men is testament to that fact.

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:59 pm » by **Iamthatiam**

'Religious' individuals, are a bunch of people claiming to not be stubborn, but opened to new irrefutable ideas, such as them!!! :flop:

Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:06 am » by **Master Otomon**

That is a really good fiction book Sevens, I got a copy for 3$.

Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:35 am » by **I2haveseen**

Sure I'vesaid this before here too.

The 3 FUCKS IMO:
Religion
Materialism
Territorial'ism
All based on survivalist adaptations. An evolutionary necessary IMO (why? Because it's still a funtioning(?????) part of alll cultures (it still works, so it's not been weeded out....YET).

Now have a bit ofa think about this peeps -
What else starts wars?

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Soon as we get off word (more like out of our sytem), the sooner we can piss the 3 fucks off, and start evolving to a more intrinsically good species (where through generosity is the norm, not greed), the better.