To REVEAL is to Re-Veil?!? (Check this shit out...)

Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:54 pm » by **Megame23**

I'm listening through the mystery Babylon series, and bill cooper mentioned that the world reveal actually means to re-veil.

So to dictionary.com I went, here are my findings:

re·veal
/rɪˈvil/ Show Spelled[ri-veel] Show IPA
–verb (used with object)
1.
to make known; disclose; divulge: to reveal a secret.
2.
to lay open to view; display; exhibit.
–noun
3.
an act or instance of revealing; revelation; disclosure.
4.
Architecture .
a.
the part of the jamb of a window or door opening between the outer wall surface and the window or door frame.
b.
the whole jamb of an opening between the outer and inner surfaces of a wall.
5.
the framework or edge of an automobile window.

Word Origin & History

reveal
late 14c., from O.Fr. reveler (14c.), from L. revelare "reveal, uncover, disclose," lit. "unveil," from re- "opposite of" + velare "to cover, veil," from velum "a veil" (see veil). Revealed religion , as opposed to natural religion , is attested from 1719.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper

re-

a prefix, occurring originally in loanwords from Latin, used with the meaning “again” or “again and again” to indicate repetition, or with the meaning “back” or “backward” to indicate withdrawal or backward motion: regenerate; refurbish; retype; retrace; revert.

Its saying to again cover up, re does not me the oposite of, it means to do again. Looks like Douglass Harper is kind of a dumbass huh?

Its right in the word... Its not like they were talking about re baby dead cowing something when they made that word.

Its kind of funny, they put things right in our face... But they are really evil bastards.

Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:57 pm » by **Ironshroom**

lol, interesting.

i can tell you one thing, they are certainly going to re-veil the whole alien thing in the near future.

Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:27 am » by **Megame23**

ironshroom wrote:lol, interesting.

i can tell you one thing, they are certainly going to re-veil the whole alien thing in the near future.

Indeed they are.

:alien51:

Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:50 am » by **sockpuppet**

The thing is....

The Latin re- used in the OFr word means "opposite", but in English we use re- to signify "do again".

So reveal, from reveler, means "opposite of (to) veil". It does NOT me to veil over what has already been unveiled.

Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:58 am » by **Santaownsyou**

Language and what it means is an interesting topic. Your thoughts are actually limited to that which you have words to describe, meaning if there are no words to describe a concept or idea, you can not think it. In a way language is a prison.

Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:13 am » by **Megame23**

sockpuppet wrote:The thing is....

The Latin re- used in the OFr word means "opposite", but in English we use re- to signify "do again".

So reveal, from reveler, means "opposite of (to) veil". It does NOT me to veil over what has already been unveiled.

rerun
refurbish
redo
retry
rebuild
restart
repeat

I could go on, but I cant think of any that are meaning the opposite of, its always to do something again. And that is the definition from dictionary.com for the prefix, referring to the Latin origins.

Can you think of words where its the opposite of? other than supposedly reveal.

Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:20 am » by **sockpuppet**

megame23 wrote:
Can you think of words where its the opposite of? other than supposedly reveal.

Not in English! That is what I was trying to point out... In Old French that works, but not in English... that's why you have to be careful taking an English word with a French entomology with Latin roots... Affixes do not maintain a consistent meaning when they are used by different languages.

Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:56 am » by **Megame23**

sockpuppet wrote:
megame23 wrote:
Can you think of words where its the opposite of? other than supposedly reveal.

Not in English! That is what I was trying to point out... In Old French that works, but not in English... that's why you have to be careful taking an English word with a French entomology with Latin roots... Affixes do not maintain a consistent meaning when they are used by different languages.

Ah, I see what you mean, not a big language guy.

Still have to wonder if they did this on purpose though, because, well we ARE English speaking... And all our other words with re do mean to again do something.

Is it just another one of the many flaws with the English/American language, or was it intentional?

Origins of language are interesting, and seem to be quite important when researching law, history, or the occult, wish I had time to learn Latin...

Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:14 am » by **Xibalba**

megame23 wrote:Can you think of words where its the opposite of? other than supposedly reveal.

Rewind, reverse, revert, remove, recover, refute...

Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:40 am » by **Megame23**

xibalba wrote:
megame23 wrote:Can you think of words where its the opposite of? other than supposedly reveal.

Rewind, reverse, revert, remove, recover, refute...

Well you got me on reverse

rewind = to wind again wind, after a previous winding
revert = to go back to a previous habit
remove = to move elsewhere, from the place having been once moved before
recover = to get better once again
refute = A bit harder, but :

Word Origin & History

refute
1513, "refuse, reject," from L. refutare "drive back, repress, repel, rebut," from re- "back" + -futare "to beat," probably from PIE base *bhat- "to strike down" (cf. beat ). Meaning "prove wrong" dates from 1545. Since c.1964 linguists have frowned on the subtle shift in meaning towards "to deny," as it is used in connection with allegation.

yep its an english re, to once again.

You got one though.