TURKEY takes off its MASK
Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:44 pm » by Eliakim
The Gaza Flotilla---a 'Jihad', not 'humanitarian', operation according to its main Turkish organizer---was a well-calculated stunt by Turkey's Islamist AKP government to punish Israel, not only for the Islamists' inherent hatred for Israel and Jews, but also for Israel's past sin against the AKP Islamists, plus for a political winfall at home. It has gone perfect from them, and Turkey's secularists would be the biggest loser.
On the backdrop of the Gaza Flotilla misadventure to force Israel withdraw blockade on Gaza, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned that "Israel stands to lose its closest ally in the Middle East if it does not change its mentality."
And calling for punishing Israel for "state terrorism" over its bungled operation on board the Flotilla ships that left 9 pro-Hamas Turkish activists dead, Turkey has already ordered reduction of "economic and defence ties with Israel", probably its first step toward gradual freezing of diplomatic ties with the Jewish state.
For Turkey, its diplomatic ties with Israel, established soon after Israel's founding in 1948, was never one of mutual friendship or cordiality, but of strategic necessity. The Kemalist secularists saw alliance with Israel as an antidote to theocratic Islamists at home and in the Arab world. In the 1990s, the relationship deepened further in an effort to undermine the common enemy, Syria, which was supporting the Kurdish separatists (PKK) against Ankara. Israel provided military hardware and intelligence to Turkey on PKK activities in Syria, when Damascus was hosting of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan.
With Islamists themselves now in power, the Kurdish separatist movement on the decline and Syria turned an ally after the current Islamist government took power, Turkey's ties with Israel has turned meaningless, indeed a liability, for the current Islamist government.
Much has been said of the Islamist root of the AKP government in Turkey. Let us review here the AKP politicians' attitude toward Israel. The AKP Islamists' spiritual guru is Prof. Erbakan, who founded the National Salvation Party (NSP), as an Islamist front against Kemalist secularists. Top leaders of the current AKP government were groomed by Ebrakan. Both PM Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul served as mayoral, ministerial and parliamentary candidates in Erbakan's parties to hone their political careers. But realizing that the staunchly secularist army would not allow them to stay in power on a visibly Islamic card, they disguised themselves as secular-democrats and formed the soft-Islamic AKP party.
Let us take a look at Prof Erbakan's attitude toward the Jews and Israel. Erbakan is a fanatical anti-Semite with a pan-Islamic ambition of the former Ottoman days. During the last election, he compared Zionists and Jews with 'Bacteria' and 'Disease', and said:
"Do you know what the safety of Israel means? It means that they will rule the 28 countries from Morocco to Indonesia. Since all the Crusades were organized by the Zionists…”
He wrote virulently anti-Semitic commentaries in its media mouthpiece, Milli Gazette, in February & April 2005. Citing anti-Jewish Quranic verses (3:112, 2:61 etc.), he wrote:
"In fact, no amount of pages or lines would be sufficient to explain the Quranic chapters and our Lord Prophet's [Muhammad's] words that tell us of the betrayals of the Jews... The prophets sent to them, such as Zachariah and Isaiah, were murdered by the Jews..."
Most observers would argue that leaders of the AKP have moderated themselves and do not have the same anti-Semitic attitude like their mentor Prof. Erbakan anymore. But, let me emphasize from my experience of living a Muslim for nearly 40 years that anti-Jewish hatred, with which Muslims are groomed since childhood, never declines, but may only intensify, so long one remains a Muslim. This applies much more to Muslims, who make their career based on appeal to Islam.
Let us also try to understand PM Erdogan's Islamic mind. He has claimed himself to be “a servant of the Sharia" and “the Imam of Istanbul", and emphatically said: "The Mosques are our barracks, the Domes are helmets, the Minarets are Bayonets and the faithful are soldiers." He has mocked Kemalist secularists and expressed his desire to turn Turkey into an Islamic state and to inaugurate the parliament by reciting the Quran.
Unsuspecting observers must also recall what Erdogan once said of his party's current guise: “Democracy was a train, from which you could alight once you reached your destination.”
AKP has already reached its destination with firm support amongst an increasingly radicalized Muslim population; so it can now throw away its secular-democratic guise. And it has already started. Didn't the Saudi King recently ordain Erdogan with the "King Faisal International prize for service to Islam"?
For the rest of article see the link
http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?op ... iew&id=457
On the backdrop of the Gaza Flotilla misadventure to force Israel withdraw blockade on Gaza, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned that "Israel stands to lose its closest ally in the Middle East if it does not change its mentality."
And calling for punishing Israel for "state terrorism" over its bungled operation on board the Flotilla ships that left 9 pro-Hamas Turkish activists dead, Turkey has already ordered reduction of "economic and defence ties with Israel", probably its first step toward gradual freezing of diplomatic ties with the Jewish state.
For Turkey, its diplomatic ties with Israel, established soon after Israel's founding in 1948, was never one of mutual friendship or cordiality, but of strategic necessity. The Kemalist secularists saw alliance with Israel as an antidote to theocratic Islamists at home and in the Arab world. In the 1990s, the relationship deepened further in an effort to undermine the common enemy, Syria, which was supporting the Kurdish separatists (PKK) against Ankara. Israel provided military hardware and intelligence to Turkey on PKK activities in Syria, when Damascus was hosting of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan.
With Islamists themselves now in power, the Kurdish separatist movement on the decline and Syria turned an ally after the current Islamist government took power, Turkey's ties with Israel has turned meaningless, indeed a liability, for the current Islamist government.
Much has been said of the Islamist root of the AKP government in Turkey. Let us review here the AKP politicians' attitude toward Israel. The AKP Islamists' spiritual guru is Prof. Erbakan, who founded the National Salvation Party (NSP), as an Islamist front against Kemalist secularists. Top leaders of the current AKP government were groomed by Ebrakan. Both PM Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul served as mayoral, ministerial and parliamentary candidates in Erbakan's parties to hone their political careers. But realizing that the staunchly secularist army would not allow them to stay in power on a visibly Islamic card, they disguised themselves as secular-democrats and formed the soft-Islamic AKP party.
Let us take a look at Prof Erbakan's attitude toward the Jews and Israel. Erbakan is a fanatical anti-Semite with a pan-Islamic ambition of the former Ottoman days. During the last election, he compared Zionists and Jews with 'Bacteria' and 'Disease', and said:
"Do you know what the safety of Israel means? It means that they will rule the 28 countries from Morocco to Indonesia. Since all the Crusades were organized by the Zionists…”
He wrote virulently anti-Semitic commentaries in its media mouthpiece, Milli Gazette, in February & April 2005. Citing anti-Jewish Quranic verses (3:112, 2:61 etc.), he wrote:
"In fact, no amount of pages or lines would be sufficient to explain the Quranic chapters and our Lord Prophet's [Muhammad's] words that tell us of the betrayals of the Jews... The prophets sent to them, such as Zachariah and Isaiah, were murdered by the Jews..."
Most observers would argue that leaders of the AKP have moderated themselves and do not have the same anti-Semitic attitude like their mentor Prof. Erbakan anymore. But, let me emphasize from my experience of living a Muslim for nearly 40 years that anti-Jewish hatred, with which Muslims are groomed since childhood, never declines, but may only intensify, so long one remains a Muslim. This applies much more to Muslims, who make their career based on appeal to Islam.
Let us also try to understand PM Erdogan's Islamic mind. He has claimed himself to be “a servant of the Sharia" and “the Imam of Istanbul", and emphatically said: "The Mosques are our barracks, the Domes are helmets, the Minarets are Bayonets and the faithful are soldiers." He has mocked Kemalist secularists and expressed his desire to turn Turkey into an Islamic state and to inaugurate the parliament by reciting the Quran.
Unsuspecting observers must also recall what Erdogan once said of his party's current guise: “Democracy was a train, from which you could alight once you reached your destination.”
AKP has already reached its destination with firm support amongst an increasingly radicalized Muslim population; so it can now throw away its secular-democratic guise. And it has already started. Didn't the Saudi King recently ordain Erdogan with the "King Faisal International prize for service to Islam"?
For the rest of article see the link
http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?op ... iew&id=457
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Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:07 pm » by Mediasorcerer
e-liar-kim.why dont you give it up,you cant be this hateful and racist and call yourself spiritual,go look in the mirror,and see into your broken heart,have a go at fixing it buddy,and stop professing to be spiritual and actually be spiritual,nobody loves a hipocrit,
raise your vibration,and be the love you are,your defending murder,this is not good behaviour,there is no justification for murder,THOU SHALT NOT KILL APPLIES TO ALL HUMANITY,
TRY TO WORK ON YOUR INNER RACIST,and prey for your damaged soul to heal,you have a lot of hidden anger,repressed,ask god for guidance and really listen this time,then act apon it,stop waffling on with negative racist posts and be spiritual,not just proclaiming it then doing the opposite by posting lies and deceit.THOU SHALT NOT KILL,LOOK IT UP,ITS IN THERE,FOR A POOD REASON,COS ITS TRUE!!!!dont fgetWORK ON THAT ANGER BUDDY,MUCH HIDDEN ANGER IN YOUR POSTS,EVERYONE CAN SEE IT,CAN YOU????
raise your vibration,and be the love you are,your defending murder,this is not good behaviour,there is no justification for murder,THOU SHALT NOT KILL APPLIES TO ALL HUMANITY,
TRY TO WORK ON YOUR INNER RACIST,and prey for your damaged soul to heal,you have a lot of hidden anger,repressed,ask god for guidance and really listen this time,then act apon it,stop waffling on with negative racist posts and be spiritual,not just proclaiming it then doing the opposite by posting lies and deceit.THOU SHALT NOT KILL,LOOK IT UP,ITS IN THERE,FOR A POOD REASON,COS ITS TRUE!!!!dont fgetWORK ON THAT ANGER BUDDY,MUCH HIDDEN ANGER IN YOUR POSTS,EVERYONE CAN SEE IT,CAN YOU????
with the power of soul,anything is possible
with the power of you,anything that you wanna do
with the power of you,anything that you wanna do
Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:12 pm » by Spock
eliakim wrote:[youtube]HZlSSaPT_OU&[/youtube]
"PEACE WORKERS"
Let me translate these actions...
"We will kill them if they try to inspect our boat even though we knew they were before we left port - if they kill us we go to Allah and Israel looks like fucks in the worlds eye because we are aid workers - ALLAHU AKBAR!"
No Pindz - I don't think there was a reason to flag this video.
ATHEISM:
The belief there was once absolutely nothing. Nothing happened to the nothing until the nothing exploded into everything. Then all of the exploded everything rearranged itself, into self-replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs.
The belief there was once absolutely nothing. Nothing happened to the nothing until the nothing exploded into everything. Then all of the exploded everything rearranged itself, into self-replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs.
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Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:14 pm » by Funnyman46
Those who want to kill in the name of their belief system are just as bad as the big governments wanting to throw their influence around in order to gain more control. When you give them another opinion, their first recourse is to attack instead of compremise. Sticks and Stones. This conversation is best left at some other sites door where you can argue as long as this situation has taken place over the span of years. All sides lose any credibility once they threaten those who don't believe thier convictions.
Please do not take anything I say as truth, I am under control of a lizard race hell bent on staying underground and unseen to further my paranoia.
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Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:33 pm » by Torofamily
eliakim good post
for all the haters.........these people should be held accountable
people just want to hate that's why they see something totally here...........something that's not true. no matter how much evidence.
@ mayafan i have to ask that American knew what he/she was doing and payed the price. don't do the crime if you cant do the time.
for all the haters.........these people should be held accountable
people just want to hate that's why they see something totally here...........something that's not true. no matter how much evidence.
@ mayafan i have to ask that American knew what he/she was doing and payed the price. don't do the crime if you cant do the time.
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Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:42 pm » by Lighthouse
The religious and political bullshit agenda from some fanatics here is starting to get on my nerves.
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Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:46 pm » by Harbin
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/12/israel-paying-agents-to-post-pro-israel-propaganda-on-internet-forums-blogs/
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Israel paying agents to post pro Israel Propaganda on Internet forums & blogs!
Posted by Europe on Dec 29th, 2009 // 2 Comments
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The Foreign Ministry unveiled a new plan this week: Paying talkbackers to post pro-Israel responses on websites worldwide. A total of NIS 600,000 (roughly $150,000) will be earmarked to the establishment of an “Internet warfare” squad.
The Foreign Ministry intends to hire young people who speak at least one language and who study communication, political science, or law – or alternately, Israelis with military experience gained at units dealing with information analysis.
Beyond the fact that these job requirements reveal a basic lack of understanding in respect to the dynamics of the online discourse – the project’s manager argued that “adults don’t know how to blog” – they are not too relevant either. An effective talkbacker does not need a law degree or military experience. He merely needs to care about the subject he writes about.
The sad truth is that had Israeli citizens believed that their State is doing the right thing, they would have made sure to explain it out of their own accord. Without being paid.
Foreign Ministry officials are fighting what they see as a terrible and scary monster: the Palestinian public relations monster. Yet nothing can be done to defeat it, regardless of how many foolish inventions will be introduced and how many bright communication students will be hired.
The reason is that good PR cannot make the reality in the occupied territories prettier. Children are being killed, homes are being bombed, and families are starved. Yet nonetheless, the Foreign Ministry wants to try to change the situation. And they have willing partners. “Where do I submit a CV?” wrote one respondent. “I’m fluent in several languages and I’m able to spew forth bullshit for hours on end.”
...more at link...
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Israel paying agents to post pro Israel Propaganda on Internet forums & blogs!
Posted by Europe on Dec 29th, 2009 // 2 Comments
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The Foreign Ministry unveiled a new plan this week: Paying talkbackers to post pro-Israel responses on websites worldwide. A total of NIS 600,000 (roughly $150,000) will be earmarked to the establishment of an “Internet warfare” squad.
The Foreign Ministry intends to hire young people who speak at least one language and who study communication, political science, or law – or alternately, Israelis with military experience gained at units dealing with information analysis.
Beyond the fact that these job requirements reveal a basic lack of understanding in respect to the dynamics of the online discourse – the project’s manager argued that “adults don’t know how to blog” – they are not too relevant either. An effective talkbacker does not need a law degree or military experience. He merely needs to care about the subject he writes about.
The sad truth is that had Israeli citizens believed that their State is doing the right thing, they would have made sure to explain it out of their own accord. Without being paid.
Foreign Ministry officials are fighting what they see as a terrible and scary monster: the Palestinian public relations monster. Yet nothing can be done to defeat it, regardless of how many foolish inventions will be introduced and how many bright communication students will be hired.
The reason is that good PR cannot make the reality in the occupied territories prettier. Children are being killed, homes are being bombed, and families are starved. Yet nonetheless, the Foreign Ministry wants to try to change the situation. And they have willing partners. “Where do I submit a CV?” wrote one respondent. “I’m fluent in several languages and I’m able to spew forth bullshit for hours on end.”
...more at link...
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Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:48 pm » by Torofamily
lighthouse wrote:The religious and political bullshit agenda from some fanatics here is starting to get on my nerves.
so what can you do about it????
if you don't like it don't look at it is my suggestion...
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