Uh-Oh Rand Corporation Calls for Iran War Now

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PostTue Jun 07, 2011 2:47 pm » by Harbin


So perhaps it happens this summer...
A five page article from RAND researcher Gregory S. Jones released late last week reaches a grim conclusion: that without an immediate US military occupation of Iran, the Islamic Republic will have a nuclear weapon in two months.

The report is entirely a mathematical exercise, using the latest IAEA report on Iran as source material for data. It concludes that Iran will have enough 90% enriched uranium to make a nuclear warhead in just eight weeks.

Of course, one mustn’t forget that the IAEA report is two weeks old, so that knocks the time down to six weeks. And those figures weren’t fresh the day they were published, so its even less than that. Time, the biologist concludes, is running dangerously low.

The mathematics of the claim are not the core of the problem, but the assumptions underlying them. Iran’s centrifuge program has struggled mightily to create 19.7% enriched uranium (useful for medical purposes) and they have never even attempted the creation of 90%+ weapons-grade uranium. The report assumes that they could do this with perfect efficiency, no reconfiguration time, and run all the centrifuges 24-7 while making all these switches.

Of course it was only a year ago that the White House was scoffing at the claims Iran was going to create the 19.7% enriched uranium, and the nation appears to have surprised everybody by, after some 18 months, making a small amount of it. The notion that this translates into an ability to create 90% enriched uranium with absolute perfection in a matter of weeks is nonsense well beyond even the most absurd claims of the Obama Administration about Iran’s “threat.”

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/06/06/researcher-without-military-occupation-iran-to-have-nuke-in-two-months/
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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 10:25 am » by Harbin


AIPAC propaganda site American Thinker includes frightening article to reinforce the War With Iran Needed New meme among the intellectual piker class. Using above RAND study as a basis.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/rand_corp_iran_8_weeks_from_the_bomb.html
June 8, 2011
RAND Corp: Iran 8 weeks from the Bomb.
By James Lewis

According to a RAND report, the United States and the world have blown the chance to prevent an Iranian nuclear weapon. Half a year ago, US air strikes and a no-fly zone might have prevented a nuclear bomb in the hands of the martyrdom ideology of Khomeinist Iran. That window has now slammed shut. In about 8 weeks, the RAND report concludes, Iran will have the nuclear material for its first bomb.

RAND Corporation's Gregory S. Jones believes that Iran has produced almost 40 kilograms of uranium enriched near 20% percent. Jones suggests that air strikes can no longer stop Ahmadinejad's rush to nuclear weapons.

It appears that the Obama administration knowingly allowed the optimal window of opportunity against Iranian nuclear weapons to pass. As a result, the world has suddenly become immensely more dangerous.

The slogan "Death to Israel! Death to America!" has been chanted on a daily basis by mass meetings in Iran. It is sheer wishful thinking to believe that after 30 years of daily threats they don't really mean it. The Obama Administration either believes there is no looming nuclear threat, or that it's willing to live with it. But the Saudis and other neighboring countries don't agree.

Thirty years after Jimmy Carter allowed Iran to be conquered by the Ayatollah Khomeini, a proponent of martyrdom war to spread Shiite Islam, Iran has the means to strike countries it has threatened directly, including Saudi Arabia and Israel. Iran's ballistic missile program, with major North Korean help, may be able to reach the United States by 2015. ICBMs only require a flight time of about half an hour.

It is likely that Saudi Arabia and possibly Egypt will import their own nuclear weapons from Pakistan, which is now rushing to build an advanced plant for uranium production. An American nuclear scientist who visited a North Korean centrifuge plant recently reported that the plant he saw was so advanced it could only have been built with Chinese help. North Korea therefore seems to have been working as a Chinese proxy to promote worldwide proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Iran is dominated by a martyrdom ideology. Ahmadinejad was likely involved in mass suicide charges in the Iran-Iraq war, in which boys wearing green plastic "Keys to Paradise" were ordered to drive their motorcycles into Saddam Hussein's minefields. Ahmadinejad is thought to be a "Twelver," a devout believer in the Shiite Mahdi (messiah), who will bring Armageddon to infidels and victory to an extremist sect of Shi'ism.

No nuclear war has occurred in the last sixty years since Stalin's (stolen) atom bomb explosion. Rational nations do not commit suicide. The Iranian Twelver regime is the first openly suicide-promoting regime since the Japanese Imperial cult of World War II. Ahmadinejad is a religious fanatic who claims to have direct conversations with Allah and the Twelfth Imam, a claim that has led to internal struggles between Ayatollah Khamenei and the Revolutionary Guard factions. Khamenei recently arrested Ahmadinejad supporters accusing them of practicing witchcraft against the dominance of the religious elite.

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor when Khomeini overthrew the Shah, has recently said that Obama's demand for Israel to pull back to its 1949 ceasefire lines was not strong enough. Brzezinski apparently wants greater concessions from Israel.

Newt Gingrich has called Obama's demand "an invitation for Israel to commit suicide." Michele Bachmann has called it "a betrayal" of Israel.

It is now beyond serious doubt that Obama and Carter have empowered the most radical and dangerous forces in the Islamic world.

1. In 1979 Jimmy Carter brought Ayatollah Khomeini to power by undermining the Shah, who was a modernizer and relatively enlightened on issues like women's education. The result is 30 years of a reactionary Islamist regime, the Iran-Iraq war, and now, nuclear weapons.

2. A few months ago Obama publicly pushed Hosni Mubarak out of power in Egypt. The result has been a rise to power of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and an apparent breakdown of the Egypt-Israel peace treaty. The Saudis are outraged and frightened by the "Arab Spring," which is bringing down regimes all over the Arab world. Pakistan is ready to supply the Saudis and Egypt with nuclear weapons, probably backed by China.

The world has had 30 years to prepare for this moment. Only the United States has the military power to knock down Iran's nuclear industry and impose a no-fly zone that will keep Iranian missiles and aircraft from being launched. Israel is motivated to do it, but cannot sustain a long air campaign. The only option Israel seems to have is to launch its own weapons of mass destruction first.

Dr. Jones' eight-week estimate for the first Iranian Bomb may be off by weeks or months. Nobody can doubt that we will be facing a nuclear Iran some time soon. George W. Bush was mercilessly mocked for launching a preemptive war against Saddam Hussein because Bush did not want to take the risk that Saddam might have WMD's. It now appears that Obama has failed to preempt Iran's nuclear breakout. We will therefore have an opportunity soon to find out what happens when the United States does not try prevent rogue regimes from getting nukes.
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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 10:51 am » by Tertiusgaudens


Nothing will happen. Nothing. China is now a big friend of Iran. And Russia as we always knew.
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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 10:56 am » by Harbin


tertiusgaudens wrote:Nothing will happen. Nothing. China is now a big friend of Iran. And Russia as we always knew.

This is a situation that the American Government may call the "New Axis of Evil", it looks like more war, more negativity, new generations made hateful.
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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 11:20 am » by Spock


They've always been considered part of the axis of evil, nothing new about that.

Are you of the opinion that Iran still only wishes to have nuclear power for peaceful purposes? Do you not think this is a grave threat to the life of Israel insomuch as they wouldn't funnel materials to Hezbollah?

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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 11:25 am » by -Marduk-


tertiusgaudens wrote:Nothing will happen. Nothing. China is now a big friend of Iran. And Russia as we always knew.

exactly


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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 11:43 am » by Tertiusgaudens


Let me first say, that I missed you much, my dear spock, and I`m glad I can be back again.

To your point. I have a feeling, that all is going to change now in Isael. A growing number even in Israel is calling for a change there and peace with Palestine. Even Obama has gone a step ahead seeing it this way.

The thing is`nt Iran as nuclear power anymore - it has still happened. The Russians have still cared for this...

The real thread to Israel is not Iran but the situation which has developed in the near East right now. Yesterday I have heard that Intifada is now proclaimed being a case of whole Arabia and not of Palestinians alone anymore. And the policy of Israel is still ruling according old pattern...that is the real danger. And btw, you can`t imagine, how explosive the situation is here in Europe - look to Spain...

Something is happening - a certain Webster Trapley has given nice backround infos.

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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 12:33 pm » by Spock


Nice to see you posting as well TG. I hope you are doing better and settling after your terrible event.

Obama's stance, and the ones that side with him, on Israel giving up their key military positions to create a Palestinian state is just not going to happen. Regardless of political pressure. It's actually laughable that Obama would suggest such a move. Israel was attacked by Egypt and Syria, from those positions, in return, Israel handed them back their ass. It would be a foolish move for any leader of the free world to give up that land.

There is no idealistic dream going to happen with this situation. People tend to think that Israel can be cut in 2 and Jew and Muslim will live together in tranquility - not going to happen. Look at what is happening in Spain, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Yemen, etc. If anything, Israels western democracy is a stabilizing force in the region.

Factions in democracies are already polarized, add a dash of sharia with that and individual groups seeing their way as the only way condoned by god and you have a powder keg.

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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 3:20 pm » by Nakchopoe


Israel should have nothing to fear from Iran.

USA has proven to have systems that can accurately take missiles out of the air, and since Israel is, when it comes to the military, just another piece of USA, there should be no problem installing that system on strategic places in Israel.
So, no war needed. There's nothing to fear from Iran's possible ability of creating a warhead.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3412735.ece

And about the problems in that region: there's only problems between governments. 95% of the people (jew, muslim, christian, hindu, whatever) can live perfectly together as friendly neighbours.
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PostWed Jun 08, 2011 3:43 pm » by Etyson


spock wrote:They've (Iran) always been considered part of the axis of evil, nothing new about that.




Imagine that.

Iran had their government overthrown by the CIA in 1953 and a Vichy "government" was installed. These evil Iranians had the utter gall to overthrow the US puppet regime and reinstall their government of choice. So now they are part of the axis of evil. Yeah right.

As far as I can determine thru facts -- it sure looks like the axis of evil is composed of the Central Banksters, the US and the EU.


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