Video Shot by pilot flying Along side several ChemPlanes

[Lowsix Profile]

Jet..If you are going to quote me, and then attempt to scrutinize what i say,
then for the love of god do me the courtesy of reading all the words in my post before you do.

You are unwittingly being the perfect example of what im talking about.
I wasnt addressing you in that post, other than to use your treatment of
a credible, mature witness as utterly embarassing, and you have taken the
entire thing as an attack of some sort and you are all up MY character again..

The whole internet is not about you jet, just becuase youve posted on an issue.
Some of us out here with these huge egos and all, well we got opinions too.
For some reason though, they tend to REALLY freak guys like you out...
Ive never figured why...

I said...

(as did scotty)

1. That there are likely chemtrail operations happening..
For limited exercises in radar obscuring etc...troop movements and dignitaries.

2. There are fuel additives, which have been added since the 50s
and both are found in tested ground samples. Aluminum AND barium have both
been addmitted as engine cleaning agents added to fuel to prevent taking apart engines for maintenance..due to their corrosive nature..so there is a pollution issue, not a spray operations issue.

3. All of the examples shown as 'evidence' of spray ops CAN be explained with an understanding of relative humidty, moisture differentials, and humidity bands..I have provided official NOAA Documents from the 50s explaining the creation of persistant contrails under a range of conditions, some of which actually fill the ENTIRE sky with Cirrus clouds from two to four jets... I mean shit, if a beer can condense enough moisture to soak a napkin, what can a 1700 degree jet engine running in temps of -32f do? Create a lot of damn condensation and ice crystals...thats what.

4. ALL of the photos of supposed spray ops planes have been debunked, as well as this one of the fuel dump, and no one has presented Any evidence whatsoever of the equipment necessary, fleet, sprayers, loaders, hazmat wearing loaders, to prove their version of events either..(ie massive 24/7 chemtrailing operations)

5. not a bit of that, has shit to do with my ego.

And not a lick of contradiction in any of it.

Once again opinions and no evidence, the simple lowsix tactic:

"If they don't believe you write a page long disagreement with nothing but opinions.."

and I didn't take you out of context you did say you believed in it, doesn't matter how little or how big you think it is you still said they are doing it, so don't twist me around because you have a hard enough time figuring your circular logic yourself...

all opinions and ego six, you take something say here is what I think it is, then after you are done that is it everyone must accept it. well I don't and it's not because I am a bandwagon or unintelligable it is because I dis agree with you and your view of "officiality" that you try to portray all the time...

"Don't try to get on someone when this thread basically proved it" in reference to HAARP thread...

let's wait until the next HAARP thread where you will continue to bash people that believe in it..

"A side project just doesn't prove they were setting up for an earthquake, it just doesn't" (or something to that effect)

with you it is whatever the most popular opinion and science behind it is without questioning other sciences that prove against it...

but then again what can anyone expect from you everyone already knows how you are like, you won't change because you are a toolbox.....

where has proto been lately lowsix, you know your other account? your other half that you disagree with?

circular logic.

2. There are fuel additives, which have been added since the 50s
and both are found in tested ground samples. Aluminum AND barium have both
been addmitted as engine cleaning agents added to fuel to prevent taking apart engines for maintenance..due to their corrosive nature..so there is a pollution issue, not a spray operations issue.

yes tested with propeller style airplanes, different from a compression based turbine.

it is a spray issue when it comes out of a compression based system and lays c02 to eat away at the moisture are you that thick lowsix? engine cleaning agents huh? well then that means it should fall into the safety standard category for air pollution safety..

how do you explain the other chemicals? you don't do you...

3. All of the examples shown as 'evidence' of spray ops CAN be explained with an understanding of relative humidty, moisture differentials, and humidity bands..I have provided official NOAA Documents from the 50s explaining the creation of persistant contrails under a range of conditions, some of which actually fill the ENTIRE sky with Cirrus clouds from two to four jets... I mean shit, if a beer can condense enough moisture to soak a napkin, what can a 1700 degree jet engine running in temps of -32f do? Create a lot of damn condensation and ice crystals...thats what.

Where are the documents? do they tell how they come out of Compression style turbines? and not propeller based "leaded" fuels? does it also explain that perhaps that information is an excuse (coming from the NOAA) for chaffing and doing military experiments in the sky for gullible people? kind of like the UFO phenomenon and General Ramey says there wasn't one so by your standards you should believe it correct? but anyways post it I would like to see what they have to say.

explain this to me as well lowsix with your opinion not some copy paste BS:


Streams that form city engulfing hazes and eventually cloud coverage. If these water vapors are really just that how do they linger for "HOURS" at a time (when conventional science says they are to dissipate withing minutes or even seconds) does it now defy physics of vaporization considering this is all streamed and loosely sprayed water that stays in the sky for hours and covers the sky at nights causing a obvious haze over the cities, actually that does defy vaporization considering this example:

80 degrees Fahrenheit, humidity level below 10% wind speed between 25 - 30 miles an hour (upper atmosphere remember)

the spreading out of the vapor means there is room for expansion, which also means there is more room for heat to evaporate the molecules more easily as the water vapor is spreading and becoming less surrounded with similar more abundant molecules.

the 80 degree clear weather would instantly dry up most liquid / steam liquid in as little as a minute due to the rapid expansion of moisture and rapid direct heat from an unfiltered light source and lack of humidity in the sky would mean the vaporization rate would continue to dry up and not linger or gain molecular stability or strength because of lack of moisture resources to multiply or gain strength.

4. ALL of the photos of supposed spray ops planes have been debunked, as well as this one of the fuel dump, and no one has presented Any evidence whatsoever of the equipment necessary, fleet, sprayers, loaders, hazmat wearing loaders, to prove their version of events either..(ie massive 24/7 chemtrailing operations)

no one said the nozzles were real, but for the sake of relativity lets discuss this...

If I build a house that looks different from the last house I built does that mean that the tools I used were completely different for making a different style house?

no it doesn't, so while there is an official explanation in your sense that doesn't mean they can be used for other things and you can't prove and neither can I prove that either is true. so that is a speculated statement on your side "again"

yes they were debunked by an opinion , your opinion and people like you, while we still have pilots and scientist on the Chem-trail side of the theory that say that is exactly what they are for, I wont go into details which ones could potentially I thin could be multi purpose, they can be multi purpose.

No I don't have a problem and am not the example of what you are talking aout because you , Scott, Shadow, and anyone else on here are the same way, so once again throwing me under a bus to make yourself look better...

Scott is a pilot I would trust him to fly me places and understand how to get me there, he is not a technician, engineer, or a scientist. while he does have credibility in terms of flight and commercial airline usage, he does not however have credentials to talk about an obvious military black project, the science behind it, when and where it is going on, he as well as you and I can only rely on information stored on the internet or public archives, but you dove right into him like he was the Savior of your theory.....

giving him kudos for showing proof that he was who he was, which I did as well, but at the same time demeaning anyone who made him prove it, so by that logic we shouldn't have to prove things now huh lowsix?

Oh and tell me again why you posted that painting of the horse for evidence that you did it? was it because you were embarrassed? after all stupid people right? they don't need to know anything and sure as fuck no one has to prove anything right? but then again here you are doing it to.....

This is exactly what I mean by you opening up your mouth, talking like you are smart, contradicting yourself, lying about your evidence, having your multiple accounts to fool people, feeding your ego driven text....

All While having that thing you just can't seem to shake.....Circular logic.

um yeah..to all that.

[Scott767300 Profile]

Sorry Pindz......that is a fuel dump valve open and dumping fuel.....I can't say it any plainer than that....Its exactly where its supposed to be. Thats exactly what it looks like.

It is what it is......

[Mushroom Profile]

Hi Mushroom. With all due respect, it is impossible to determine whether or not 2 or more contrails exist at the same altitude when viewed from the ground. For the most part aircraft are now separated vertically by only 1000 feet and it is hard enough to judge whether the aircraft above you is is 1000 feet higher or 2 thousand feet higher. Let alone from 35,000 below ( ie- on the ground ).

The reason I bring this up is that it is quite common for an airplane at 35,000 feet to be contrailing and the aircraft directly above it at 36,000 feet not to be. Or it might! And then the airplane that just went 1000 feet below you to be contrailing and the the aircraft 2000 feet below not to be.

What I am saying is that the atmosphere is EXTREMELY dynamic. Nothing stays the same for long or over any distance. The temperature, pressure, and winds change constantly. You can watch the numbers change in the cockpit on a second by second basis. The exception being pressure as all high altitude aircraft are flying the 29.92 inch pressure plain and while it may look like you are maintaining say 35,000 feet on an altimeter, in reality you are changing altitude above sea level literally all the time!

These things account for the constantly changing nature of visual contrails....we can blame the sun.....

Cheers

Thankyou for the reply.

I agree that it is difficult to determine altitude from the ground.

To me, the aircraft looked to be at the same altitude as they always do (I live under the Leeds/Bradford flight-path UK). If however, they were seperated by 1000ft would that account for the contrails lasting for hours rather than seconds?... Maybe it would, maybe not.

Would it explain trails not normally associated with the flight-paths? No.

My main question is... Why is it a recent phenomena. Jet fuel additives? Climate change? what? and please do not tell me that we have started flying at higher altitudes.

[jetxvii]

Jet..If you are going to quote me, and then attempt to scrutinize what i say,
then for the love of god do me the courtesy of reading all the words in my post before you do.

You are unwittingly being the perfect example of what im talking about.
I wasnt addressing you in that post, other than to use your treatment of
a credible, mature witness as utterly embarassing, and you have taken the
entire thing as an attack of some sort and you are all up MY character again..

The whole internet is not about you jet, just becuase youve posted on an issue.
Some of us out here with these huge egos and all, well we got opinions too.
For some reason though, they tend to REALLY freak guys like you out...
Ive never figured why...

I said...

(as did scotty)

1. That there are likely chemtrail operations happening..
For limited exercises in radar obscuring etc...troop movements and dignitaries.

2. There are fuel additives, which have been added since the 50s
and both are found in tested ground samples. Aluminum AND barium have both
been addmitted as engine cleaning agents added to fuel to prevent taking apart engines for maintenance..due to their corrosive nature..so there is a pollution issue, not a spray operations issue.

3. All of the examples shown as 'evidence' of spray ops CAN be explained with an understanding of relative humidty, moisture differentials, and humidity bands..I have provided official NOAA Documents from the 50s explaining the creation of persistant contrails under a range of conditions, some of which actually fill the ENTIRE sky with Cirrus clouds from two to four jets... I mean shit, if a beer can condense enough moisture to soak a napkin, what can a 1700 degree jet engine running in temps of -32f do? Create a lot of damn condensation and ice crystals...thats what.

4. ALL of the photos of supposed spray ops planes have been debunked, as well as this one of the fuel dump, and no one has presented Any evidence whatsoever of the equipment necessary, fleet, sprayers, loaders, hazmat wearing loaders, to prove their version of events either..(ie massive 24/7 chemtrailing operations)

5. not a bit of that, has shit to do with my ego.

And not a lick of contradiction in any of it.

Once again opinions and no evidence, the simple lowsix tactic:

"If they don't believe you write a page long disagreement with nothing but opinions.."

and I didn't take you out of context you did say you believed in it, doesn't matter how little or how big you think it is you still said they are doing it, so don't twist me around because you have a hard enough time figuring your circular logic yourself...

all opinions and ego six, you take something say here is what I think it is, then after you are done that is it everyone must accept it. well I don't and it's not because I am a bandwagon or unintelligable it is because I dis agree with you and your view of "officiality" that you try to portray all the time...

"Don't try to get on someone when this thread basically proved it" in reference to HAARP thread...

let's wait until the next HAARP thread where you will continue to bash people that believe in it..

"A side project just doesn't prove they were setting up for an earthquake, it just doesn't" (or something to that effect)

with you it is whatever the most popular opinion and science behind it is without questioning other sciences that prove against it...

but then again what can anyone expect from you everyone already knows how you are like, you won't change because you are a toolbox.....

where has proto been lately lowsix, you know your other account? your other half that you disagree with?

circular logic.

2. There are fuel additives, which have been added since the 50s
and both are found in tested ground samples. Aluminum AND barium have both
been addmitted as engine cleaning agents added to fuel to prevent taking apart engines for maintenance..due to their corrosive nature..so there is a pollution issue, not a spray operations issue.

yes tested with propeller style airplanes, different from a compression based turbine.

it is a spray issue when it comes out of a compression based system and lays c02 to eat away at the moisture are you that thick lowsix? engine cleaning agents huh? well then that means it should fall into the safety standard category for air pollution safety..

how do you explain the other chemicals? you don't do you...

3. All of the examples shown as 'evidence' of spray ops CAN be explained with an understanding of relative humidty, moisture differentials, and humidity bands..I have provided official NOAA Documents from the 50s explaining the creation of persistant contrails under a range of conditions, some of which actually fill the ENTIRE sky with Cirrus clouds from two to four jets... I mean shit, if a beer can condense enough moisture to soak a napkin, what can a 1700 degree jet engine running in temps of -32f do? Create a lot of damn condensation and ice crystals...thats what.

Where are the documents? do they tell how they come out of Compression style turbines? and not propeller based "leaded" fuels? does it also explain that perhaps that information is an excuse (coming from the NOAA) for chaffing and doing military experiments in the sky for gullible people? kind of like the UFO phenomenon and General Ramey says there wasn't one so by your standards you should believe it correct? but anyways post it I would like to see what they have to say.

explain this to me as well lowsix with your opinion not some copy paste BS:


Streams that form city engulfing hazes and eventually cloud coverage. If these water vapors are really just that how do they linger for "HOURS" at a time (when conventional science says they are to dissipate withing minutes or even seconds) does it now defy physics of vaporization considering this is all streamed and loosely sprayed water that stays in the sky for hours and covers the sky at nights causing a obvious haze over the cities, actually that does defy vaporization considering this example:

80 degrees Fahrenheit, humidity level below 10% wind speed between 25 - 30 miles an hour (upper atmosphere remember)

the spreading out of the vapor means there is room for expansion, which also means there is more room for heat to evaporate the molecules more easily as the water vapor is spreading and becoming less surrounded with similar more abundant molecules.

the 80 degree clear weather would instantly dry up most liquid / steam liquid in as little as a minute due to the rapid expansion of moisture and rapid direct heat from an unfiltered light source and lack of humidity in the sky would mean the vaporization rate would continue to dry up and not linger or gain molecular stability or strength because of lack of moisture resources to multiply or gain strength.

4. ALL of the photos of supposed spray ops planes have been debunked, as well as this one of the fuel dump, and no one has presented Any evidence whatsoever of the equipment necessary, fleet, sprayers, loaders, hazmat wearing loaders, to prove their version of events either..(ie massive 24/7 chemtrailing operations)

no one said the nozzles were real, but for the sake of relativity lets discuss this...

If I build a house that looks different from the last house I built does that mean that the tools I used were completely different for making a different style house?

no it doesn't, so while there is an official explanation in your sense that doesn't mean they can be used for other things and you can't prove and neither can I prove that either is true. so that is a speculated statement on your side "again"

yes they were debunked by an opinion , your opinion and people like you, while we still have pilots and scientist on the Chem-trail side of the theory that say that is exactly what they are for, I wont go into details which ones could potentially I thin could be multi purpose, they can be multi purpose.

No I don't have a problem and am not the example of what you are talking aout because you , Scott, Shadow, and anyone else on here are the same way, so once again throwing me under a bus to make yourself look better...

Scott is a pilot I would trust him to fly me places and understand how to get me there, he is not a technician, engineer, or a scientist. while he does have credibility in terms of flight and commercial airline usage, he does not however have credentials to talk about an obvious military black project, the science behind it, when and where it is going on, he as well as you and I can only rely on information stored on the internet or public archives, but you dove right into him like he was the Savior of your theory.....

giving him kudos for showing proof that he was who he was, which I did as well, but at the same time demeaning anyone who made him prove it, so by that logic we shouldn't have to prove things now huh lowsix?

Oh and tell me again why you posted that painting of the horse for evidence that you did it? was it because you were embarrassed? after all stupid people right? they don't need to know anything and sure as fuck no one has to prove anything right? but then again here you are doing it to.....

This is exactly what I mean by you opening up your mouth, talking like you are smart, contradicting yourself, lying about your evidence, having your multiple accounts to fool people, feeding your ego driven text....

All While having that thing you just can't seem to shake.....Circular logic.

um yeah..to all that.

ok Proto.

[Ziggy Profile]

Is my pipe half empty, or half full ?

You have to answer that question yourself I'm afraid.

Mine is half empty, but is about to get topped up soon

As we speak ,

There is one more question!
How does someone look up another person's posts? Is there somewhere on here where you can browse all of another's post, right from since they joined, or is it a long process?
Do tell!

Peace

[Ruquick Profile]

Thanks, Kanaeta.
this post has made it VERY clear who the disinfo dicks are.

[Shadowkhas Profile]

Hi the profile button under someone's posts, and then there'll be a link on there that says "Search user's posts."

Thanks for the explanation as well, scott.

[Loadstr Profile]

Just saw this today, thought I would come back to this wonderful post and add it.

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[Scott767300 Profile]

Its just an MD-80 or a DC-9 contrailling. If I have seen this exact thing once I have seen it a thousand times. The condensation trail is clearly coming from the 2 tail mounted engines.

Guys you cannot force chemical substances through jet engines. They will be ruined VERY quickly. Do a google search for "jet engines and volcanic ash ingestion" for example.

Mushroom, the term "flightpath" as you used is a bit of a misnomer. Contrails are high altitude activity. While it is true that there are jet airways that we navigate on at high altitude, it is 50/50 if we actually operate on them especially in busy airspace. Usually during overflight of the UK you are either assigned headings to fly or you navigate directly to positions. Its a bit difficult for the layman to understand this, but flight patterns that are repeated are generally seen at low altitudes while on arrival or departure.

[Scott767300 Profile]

Also Mushroom.......no we aren't flying higher in airliners......a little bit but not that much. The corporate guys in the Gulfstreams and the Falcons are though. They are typically 10,000 feet plus above us in the airline world.

There is only one thing that determines the nature of what you see when you observe contrails and that is simply the condition of the atmosphere in that given area. And those conditions change rapidly and over very short distances. It is the reason in the above video we see the contrail start and stop. If the winds are light and the temp is just right a contrail could sit there for a very long time. Conversely if the winds are strong the trail will spread and disipate quickly.

I personally witnessed the Challenger explode at Cape Kennedy in Florida back in the 80s. Hours later the residue was still visible in the upper atmosphere. It distorted and contorted greatly because of the winds but it was still recognizable hours later. It should be pointed out that it wasn't condensation though so that helped.....

In fact I will be out traveling the globe for the next 3 weeks and will take pics and videos and will post......