Voynich Manuscript

Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:37 am » by **Edgarrothstein**

If someone is interested, last year i've made a PDF file with all of the hi-res images from Voynich.
The images are from Yale library website (i don't remember the exact address :oops:

).
I just put it on Scribd...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48664787/Voynich-Manuscript

Note : the file is around 60 megs.

Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:38 am » by **Freeyourmindnow**

edgarrothstein wrote:If someone is interested, last year i've made a PDF file with all of the hi-res images from Voynich.
The images are from Yale library website (i don't remember the exact address ).
I just put it on Scribd...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48664787/Voynich-Manuscript

Note : the file is around 60 megs.

cool

Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:27 am » by **Lucidlemondrop**

edgarrothstein wrote:If someone is interested, last year i've made a PDF file with all of the hi-res images from Voynich.
The images are from Yale library website (i don't remember the exact address ).
I just put it on Scribd...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48664787/Voynich-Manuscript

Note : the file is around 60 megs.

Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:45 am » by **Bleever**

well this is one subject that i am not well versed with...however, this is a very fascinating subject for me...thanks everyone, i really enjoy this!...now let me spend a mind numbing amount of hours digesting this!!

Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:33 pm » by **Johnsmith**

Than you Lucid, Funnyman, and Edgar for the additional links and all the respondents for the interest in this ancient mystery.
The entire text of all the 116 pages and TTF font to view it in Word can be downloaded from
http://voynichcentral.com/transcriptions/Voynich-101/voyn_101.zip.
As a psychologist, I am interested in the profile of the person(s) who created this manuscript five centuries ago hoping that this could help decode the text.
So far, there are only clues but not definite conclusions about the personality of the author(s).

Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:24 pm » by **Johnsmith**

It appears that there are two previous threads with the same title.
Mods, please consider merging all three threads into one thread.

Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:39 pm » by **Edgarrothstein**

This looks like Datura plant ( to me ) :

An i like this dragonette sucking the plant :mrgreen:

(Pindz will freak out :mrgreen:

)

Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:24 pm » by **Lucidlemondrop**

I am not as familiar as some are regarding Datura, I see that it is the infamous Jimsonweed that I was warned away from when many were looking for a cheap high back in the day......

This link provides some good information regarding the plants use by some tribal Shamans in the Southwest Americas........

http://www.saguaro-juniper.com/i_and_i/ ... atura.html

It's association with death or the journey implied by same was noted in some other literature regarding the manuscript saying that some of the images were similar to a "suicide ritual" for terminally ill people which was based on images of women lying in basins doing something similar to bloodletting.

Then we have the Quetzalcoatl reference as well.

Each large, trumpet-shaped, fused-5-petalled, luminous blossom of the Datura plant blooms for only one summer night, and must therefore work fast to attract its pollinators. The flower opens early -- at twilight -- and releases a strong lemon-like scent. Sphinx Moths (or Hawk Moths), of which there are some 43 species in our area, are its major nocturnal pollinators, but various other insects also arrive the following morning to enjoy the pollen at the heart of the flower

The Hawk Moth Manduca sexta consumes the flower's nectar, then lays its eggs on the plant. The larvae then consume the leaves down to their nubs, but the Datura plant also has large, tuberous roots which store nutrients against these assaults.

Despite (and perhaps even in part by virtue of) these obvious dangers, many Native American groups (including the O'Odham of our area) during pre-Colonial times sometimes used sacred datura as a hallucinogen (and perhaps for other purposes as well), steeping the leaves into a tea or chewing seeds or roots, but they were well aware of how dangerous this particular vehicle of vision quest was, and their myths typically associate it with death

For example, the independent-researcher-anthropologist Paul T. Kay has for years considered the iconogaphy of pre-Columbian Pueblo ("Anasazi") people of the American Southwest, and has made a brilliant identification of what he calls a "Datura Polemic" in certain patterns of their ceramic and mural art, based initially on his and others' work at Pottery Mound, New Mexico but then expanding into wider regional comparisons. Kay sees in certain kinds of Anasazi art a culture of shamanism associated with the ingestion of parts of this plant, and with imageries of death. Below, what he calls "Datura Man", an image of a human being with the body of a Datura pod, painted on a ceramic bowl. Note the red imagery associated with the head, which might allude to some of the distinctive symptoms associated with Datura intoxication

images are shown at the link, too large to post here.

Americans. Images that other researchers have thought were "butterflies" or other insects (for example, on archaeological Kiva wall murals as well as on pottery and elsewhere) more typically depict these moths, he suggests, and a repeated icon others have identified as a Mexican-linked "Plumed Serpent" he sees as representations of the instar (a larval stage of development) of this Datura pollinator.

Thanks Edgar for a point of reference to look around for connections!

It would be a good idea to read the other threads that Johnsmith mentioned so that we aren't too repetitive but would be nice indeed if they could be merged!

Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:24 pm » by **Johnsmith**

http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/40/sherman.php
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