*Warning* Polls are *RIGGED*

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PostFri Oct 11, 2013 5:35 pm » by Chronicnerd


Ok folks,

Here is where you can make a *real* difference...

If you hate America or you truly believe the independents and the more conservative minded folks are "terrorists" or "committing political extortion" then please just this once...keep an open mind on this:


It seems there is a *hard pressed* effort to create a "fictional" hatred of congress...and it is coming from the *EXACT* same people who got Obama in office and who have been running a political propaganda campaign for almost 5 years straight now.


I am creating a thread that tracks some of the "Polls" that this left wing progressive group have been using to "Claim America wants <insert thing here>". -CN


Anyone who has been on this site long enough *knows* I do mounds of research before I make claims. I have had some pretty heated debates with people on this site, but in the end... the *data* and *evidence* does not lie.

This is *CRITICAL* that we start to try to show what specific "POLLS" really mean...


I will start this thread off with the *most recent* "poll of Americans" to show you *exactly* how *LIMITED* they really are:

"Poll: Americans find little to like in Washington"
Referring Article: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131011/DA9BQJ1G0.html
With a link to this embedded as well:
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The article refers to this poll:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Oct_poll.pdf

Throughout this I will refer to the above poll as "The Poll"... so if you are interested in this I would go ahead and open the poll in a new tab so you can *double check* for yourself on what I am seeing.



Let's look at this shall we?

Regarding the "Ethnic" variety of this poll?
White .............................................................. 74
Black .............................................................. 12
Asian .............................................................. 3
Other .............................................................. 3
Hispanic(VOL) ............................................. 6
Not sure/refused.......................................... 2

So, this shows us that the poll pretty much only shows what *White* Americans think...
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First off:
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Total White: 74
Total Non-White: ~26
Total people: 100%

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Secondly
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The poll claims that 1040 adults were "polled"...
It says so at the very top:
Interviews: 800 Adults, including 240 cell phone only respondents

However, when you look to the right-hand side you will notice this:
48 Male
52 Female
Total People = 100%

Now to simplify this:
The Poll claims 1040interviews...

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So what is the big stink?
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There are an estimated 315 *MILLION* people in America...
Source: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2012/12/28/us-population-2013-more-than-315-million-people

Of these 315 *MILLION* people, we can say that about 2/3rds of this population are *voters*/*tax payers*.

People under 20 years of age made up over a quarter of the U.S. population (27.3%), and people age 65 and over made up one-eighth (12.8%) in 2009.[14] The national median age was 36.8 years.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States


So let's do the math:
Voting/Taxpayer population: 207.9 Million people (315M * 0.66 = 207.9M) or (315M * 66% = 207.9M)

The "Poll" taken covered, in reality..

This means the poll only covers:
5.002405002405002405002405002405e-6 of a percent of American's views
For those who have a hard time figuring this out:
Scientific Notation rough approximation:
5.0024 x 10 (to the -6 power) or 0.0000050024
Where
1.0 = 1%
Thus, this poll *DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE* to showing the current opinion of Americans...


Why is this important?

The Media is making a "case" against republicans *and* independents.
Most left progressive agenda folks refer to the "enemy" as:
"Conservative Tea Baggers"
"Conservative Economic Terrorists" (which is an Oxymoron in itself)
"Tea people"
Etc...

We will see *more and more* polls coming out that will "reflect negatively" on the conservative movement and "positively" on the democratic movement.

Currently they *have to* lump everyone (both sides) into this effort, as it would be blatantly obvious if the polls just immediately reflected favor for one side and not the other.

Ok cool... but why is this important?

Let's look what the Flagship Progressive Democratic Party News Source is claiming right now:
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903531-nbcwsj-poll-60-percent-say-fire-every-member-of-congress?lite

*WOW* 60% says "Get rid of congress completely" !!!!?!?!?!? :shock:

Now if you read the *SOURCE* of their poll:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Oct_poll.pdf
(notice the link url as well... they actually included "teases" in the URL link path)
This poll is the *EXACT* same poll from the HART RESEARCH ASSOCIATES/PUBLIC OPINION STRATEGIES document.

But who is "HART RESEARCH ASSOCIATES"?

Peter D. Hart is the chairman of Peter D. Hart Research Associates since 1971, and is a senior counselor to TMG Strategies. Together with Robert Teeter or Bill McInturff, Hart and his company have provided NBC News and The Wall Street Journal with polls since 1989. More than 40 U.S. senators and 30 governors, among them Hubert Humphrey, Lloyd Bentsen, Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham were represented by Hart.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_D._Hart


If you look at their client list:
http://hartresearch.com/clients/media.html


You will see:
Media Client List
American Baby Magazine
Child Magazine
Comedy Central
ESPN
Maxim Magazine
Men's Journal
MTV
National Public Radio
NBC News
PBS
Rolling Stone
TV Guide
US Magazine
The Wall Street Journal
The Washington Post

Political Client List:
U.S. Senators
Bob Casey, Jr. (PA)
Kent Conrad (ND)
Richard Durbin (IL)
Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Patrick Leahy (VT)
Bernie Sanders (VT)
Barbara Mikulski (MD)
Chuck Schumer (NY)

Governors
Steve Beshear (KY)
Phil Bredesen (TN)
Bev Perdue (NC)
Brad Henry (OK)
Martin O'Malley (MD)



U.S. Representatives
Lois Capps (CA-23)
Andre Carson (IN-7)
Jim Cooper (TN-5)
John Dingell (MI-16)
Rush Holt (NJ-12)
Mike Honda (CA-15)
John Lewis (GA-5)
Doris Matsui (CA-5)
Bill Pascrell, Jr. (NJ-8)
David Price (NC-4)
Chris Van Hollen (MD-8)

Political Organizations
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
Democratic National Committee
EMILY's List
Indiana Democratic Party



Union Client List:
Labor Unions:
AFL-CIO
Amalgamated Clothing Workers
American Federation of State, County, & Municipal Employees
American Federation of Teachers
Bricklayers and Allied Craftsmen
Communications Workers of America
International Brotherhood of the Teamsters
International Ladies Garment Workers Union
International Union of Electronic Workers
Paper, Allied-Industrial, Chemical, and Energy Workers International Union
Service Employees International Union
UNITE
United Auto Workers
United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners
United Food and Commercial Workers
United Mine Workers


Ok...but I am still confused what this is all about...why is this a problem?

(for those who can't put 2 and 2 together)

The Problem:
If there is *enough* media hype that "congress as a whole" is the "real problem" and that the "majority of Americans think this"... the *PRESIDENT* has the *AUTHORITY* to *DISSOLVE* congress up until the next congressional election and can take over the "POWER OF THE PURSE" (congress's job) and do *EXACTLY AS HE PLEASES*.
(before responding to this read my excerpt at the bottom about my use of the word "dissolve")


Ok...I see...but what can I do?
You can spread the word to friends and family that the polls they are reading very well could be hand picked and manipulated to be in *favor* of the Obama administration and the *Agenda* of the *PROGRESSIVE LEFT PARTY*.

You can post more *POLLS* here, run through the numbers like I did...show what actual percentage of the *POLL* was *USED*.


Primarily... spread the word that the "Polls" we are seeing...ARE NOT A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION AND AS SUCH SHOULD NOT BE USED AS ANY FORM OF REFERENCE REGARDING "THE OPINION OF AMERICANS".

If you find a poll that actually *DOES* reflect a good portion of the population... post it here as well!

I know Disclose is not the *best political platform* to post this information, however most other news sources are biased or have their own agenda's...

If enough people post information regarding these polls... and the *REAL FACTS* behind the polls...
Google, Bing, Yahoo, search engines in general *WILL* make the connection to the link references and *WILL* show them in internet searches...

So... in the name of preventing America from *potentially* being taken over by an *OBVIOUS* Progressive Socialist minded group of people...

Post away!

This is not something to take lightly folks... the next six to ten months from now could be the *MOST CRITICAL PERIOD* in America's future...

The outcome... is up to *EVERYONE*... by choosing to not get involved or "not bother" with this... you are making a choice...

If *anyone* has read *any* of my threads... you will see that I don't "claim things" that are not backed by *HARD EVIDENCE* with links...data... and the like...

My career of 24 years *requires* me to be able to "forecast and predict" complicated models/systems...

What I am seeing as of today is a *very potential* effort of this progressive left party... to build a case...that would give the President the "Talking Points/Data" that he needs to basically *BYPASS/DISSOLVE* congress until the next election (the power of the purse would be placed in the Senate Majority Leader's hand...Mr. Reid).

Oh but the President doesn't have this ability to "dissolve congress"...

Yes... that is true... the term "dissolve" commonly is referred to as "completely removing" the congressional process...

This is *not* what I mean by *DISSOLVE*...

What he can do, is declare a "State of Emergency" (i.e. Americans are about to riot, the economy tanking, and Congress "Unable to Complete Their Tasks/Jobs" due to extraordinary circumstances)

In this case... the president can use his executive powers/orders to pretty much:
Do whatever he believes needs to be done to avoid/handle a major catastrophe.

While this might not be the *total* agenda... there is *definitively* *BOGUS* data being pumped by the truck load into everyone's news on a daily basis...

This in itself...will make the difference in the next congressional election...if Americans are not aware that the "Data" being spewed in the news is pretty much:

100% B.S.

As in... how can *ANYONE* say "The Majority of Americans" think something when you only poll less than one-millionth of a percent of the American people?

Educate friends and family... don't be a sleeper... wake up and do your homework...

The test will follow... in 2014.

Cheers,
:sunny:
-CN

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PostFri Oct 11, 2013 5:57 pm » by Slith


It's called manipulation.
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PostFri Oct 11, 2013 6:06 pm » by Noentry


You mean people take polls seriously :shock:

CNN Poll: 59% say it was dumb to send troops to Iraq



Washington (CNN) - Ten years after the start of the Iraq war, most Americans say the war was a mistake and that it was dumb to send U.S. troops into the conflict, according to a new national survey.

And a CNN/ORC International poll released Tuesday also indicates that more than half of the public says that President George W. Bush's administration misled Americans about whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and more than half describe the more than eight and a half year long war as a stalemate.

As Americans mark the tenth anniversary of the conflict, 59% of those questioned in the survey say the decision to originally send U.S. troops into Iraq was dumb. That's up eight points from December 2011, when the final U.S. troops left the country. Thirty-eight percent say it was a smart decision, down seven points.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... s-to-iraq/

:headscratch:
:rtft:
:think:

only 59% :badair:

Why Polls Make Us Dumb

There are three groups of people who consistently have a detrimental affect on American politics: Republicans, Democrats, and pollsters. Of this trio, the most nefarious are the pollsters. While politicians have the ability to create public policy, pollsters have the power to craft public opinion.

Although opinion polls are often treated as if they were harmless detritus of the news-cycle, they are powerful tools for promoting overconfidence and slip-shod reasoning. Take, for instance, two of the worst types of polls—those that purportedly measure “favorability” and the “job approval rating” of politicians such as the president and members of Congress. Such polls might be useful if the general public were aware of the president and legislators’ duties, and if we could appeal to a single, objective standard to judge polls’ relevance and faithfulness to truth. But we don’t. Instead, polls create an illusion of assurance, allowing us to fool ourselves into thinking we have precisely quantified our vague qualitative judgments.
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/ ... ke-us-dumb


Polls have always been as Slith put it used to manipulate and nothing more.
"The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority.
The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority.
The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking."
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PostFri Oct 11, 2013 6:30 pm » by Chronicnerd


Noentry wrote:You mean people take polls seriously :shock:

CNN Poll: 59% say it was dumb to send troops to Iraq



Washington (CNN) - Ten years after the start of the Iraq war, most Americans say the war was a mistake and that it was dumb to send U.S. troops into the conflict, according to a new national survey.

And a CNN/ORC International poll released Tuesday also indicates that more than half of the public says that President George W. Bush's administration misled Americans about whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and more than half describe the more than eight and a half year long war as a stalemate.

As Americans mark the tenth anniversary of the conflict, 59% of those questioned in the survey say the decision to originally send U.S. troops into Iraq was dumb. That's up eight points from December 2011, when the final U.S. troops left the country. Thirty-eight percent say it was a smart decision, down seven points.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... s-to-iraq/

:headscratch:
:rtft:
:think:

only 59% :badair:

Why Polls Make Us Dumb

There are three groups of people who consistently have a detrimental affect on American politics: Republicans, Democrats, and pollsters. Of this trio, the most nefarious are the pollsters. While politicians have the ability to create public policy, pollsters have the power to craft public opinion.

Although opinion polls are often treated as if they were harmless detritus of the news-cycle, they are powerful tools for promoting overconfidence and slip-shod reasoning. Take, for instance, two of the worst types of polls—those that purportedly measure “favorability” and the “job approval rating” of politicians such as the president and members of Congress. Such polls might be useful if the general public were aware of the president and legislators’ duties, and if we could appeal to a single, objective standard to judge polls’ relevance and faithfulness to truth. But we don’t. Instead, polls create an illusion of assurance, allowing us to fool ourselves into thinking we have precisely quantified our vague qualitative judgments.
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/ ... ke-us-dumb


Polls have always been as Slith put it used to manipulate and nothing more.



:clapper: :cheers:

*VERY VERY* Good Post NoEntry...

:cry:

I think this is the first time I 100% agree with everything you posted!!!! :D


Thanks for the input... and post... very awesome dude!

-CN

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PostSat Oct 12, 2013 12:50 pm » by Chillitiger


I'm Not so sure.

I think we should have a poll on it.
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PostSat Oct 12, 2013 1:19 pm » by Mattmarriott


You waste time because you din't get the basics. Rigged elections reduced to a few lines:

Elections by Voting machines are always rigged, the sky is the limit. But now elections where people still count votes are ALSO riggeed

Printing extra ballots, stealing ballots, voting more than one time, etc: that's all a curtain of smoke to divert from how elections are really rigged.

Without e-vote it's not possible to multiply votes by 11, like it was the case in the USA 2008 with McCain and 2012 with "Romney" (1), using voting machines software.
But it's possible to multiply the votes by almost three, when the leaders of ALL parties "counting" the votes belong to one and the same secret society.

The mystery of the discrepancy between the attendance of rallies and the election results
June 2012, Greece: almost only paid foreigners attend rallies of openly pro-troika parties.
2013: illuminati puppets in PIGS (how illuminati call Portugal, Greece, Spain, Italy) and in Eastern Europe. from Passos Coelho in Portugal to Borisov in Bulgaria, are TOTALLY isolated, they don't dare show in public.
Their largest "rallies" were dinners for the clique of traitors transferring Portugal and Bulgaria's wealth to the illuminati safes.
Yet openly pro-troika parties form government in Greece 2012 and get almost 60% of the votes in Portugal 2013, the gov parties get 30% in Portugal and Bulgaria.
The mystery is easily solved.
Results are rigged in the same way, from Greece 2012 to Germany, Bulgaria and Portugal in 2013.
The first trick is to have the "oppositors" play suicide bombers (2).
But it's the second trick that accounts for almost all of the job.

How illuminati rig elections where people still count votes: Germany, UK, France, Portugal, Bulgaria, Greece: SAME TRICK
The answer starts with another "mystery", after results for each county are published, each one supposedly the sum of dozens or even hundreds of ballot boxes.
Almost everyone who counted the votes at a ballot box wonders the same thing, from Germany to Portugal:
- how comes that Merkel in Germany or most voted parties in Greece and Portugal ("opposition" yet pro-troika) or second most voted party in Portugal (gov) got about two to three times as many votes in their county as in the ballot box that they personally counted?
The mystery is easily solved.
Votes of some parties are multiplied by about two or three, eventually votes of others are divided.
The trick is as simple as this: publish only aggregate results, making verification impossible because results for each ballot box are concealed.
The same technique as to fake the REAL number of dead NATO mercenaries in the different stages where they are engaged in combat: no full list that can be verified by everyone, starting with Afghanistan.

Why the trick works - three fulfilled pre-conditions
There are three reasons why rigging elections by simply not publishing verifiable results works.
1. All party leaders are members of one and the same secret society.
2. All mass media is controlled by the same secret society. So polls reflect NOT the reality but the coming scripted results.
3. Humans were reduced to beasts and will swallow anything served by mass media without blinking an eye.

ALL
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 374661/pg1
how-illuminati-rig-elections-where-people-still-count-votes-t87751.html

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PostSat Oct 12, 2013 2:16 pm » by Flipper


It is the same in Australia. They have counted the same votes in the seat of Fairfax 4 times and get a different result each time. Why because one of the candidates has said he will not follow the policies to destroy Australia mandated by the UN.
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PostSat Oct 12, 2013 5:13 pm » by E6722maj


of course they are. i take that for granted

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PostSat Oct 12, 2013 5:20 pm » by mediasorcery


fictional hatred of congress=exactly, that is the point.
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PostSat Oct 12, 2013 6:05 pm » by Td9463


In march of 2013 the laws against propagandizing the united states were dropped you can figure that part out...
to the big picture NONE of this was supposed to make it this far..look at where we are and whats going on,,we are and have been being divided and pushed from every angle,,like poking a bee hive with a stick..only their plan is when the bees come out ..kill them and take all the honey.

What would have happened if justice Roberts wouldn't have violated judicial rules by adding language into the healthcare law and it were found unconstitutional ? I believe the leftist factions within the ethnic black and latino minority's would have torn the cities apart, as well as attempted a race war or at least violent civil unrest..which is why this president actually came out commenting directly about the issue in nothing less than a biased and inciteful way ...They didn't get the response they intended

they were hoping after colorado,,sandyhook,,and every other mass violent action for the ability to pin it on right wing extremists in order to incite armed pushback from the 2nd amendment supporters but it didn't happen....
We are purposefully being divided into the smallest factions in-order to silence us as one voice and being led into slavery by members of our own government.. on both sides..but some are hearing us they're being ridiculed and hated....obviously on the right track...
This government IS prepared for war on us they will find a way to get it...the problem isn't the debt ceiling but the debt itself,,if we were paying our bills now we wouldn't need more debt.period...

So.as you all know our money and our entire economy our way of lives for that matter at this point are an illusion which is beginning to fall apart..they have every piece of equipment they need in place and a name on every bullet,,,they just need the reason..

please support the constitution,,,not politicians...whoever your representative is call them tell them no debt increase..no more DHS,,TSA,,end the patriot act and abolish the ndaa and tell them if they vote to increase......YOUR FIRED AND RECALL THEM



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