Was Hitler a Christian?

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PostFri Apr 30, 2010 5:14 pm » by Savwafair2012


ADOLPH HITLER (1889-1945) Hitler’s name doesn’t spring to mind when one thinks of an occultist, but some occultists consider him to have had occult powers, so I'll mention him. Hitler might have been an Odinist (worshiper of false Viking gods like Thor, Odin, and Freya), or possibly just an atheist who dabbled in the occult, but at any rate, he obviously wasn’t a Christian. Some occultists consider him an "ascended master" or even an "avatar" (incarnated god). Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews and eventually replace Christianity with Germanic paganism, and this much is certain.

Whatever Hitler’s religious beliefs were, we can certainly rule out his being a Christian. In 1996 documents from the Nuremberg Trial were discovered detailing the Nazi’s systematic persecution of Christian Churches and Hilter’s plans to eliminate Christianity altogether after WWII. An American General detailed the accounts given to him by former Nazi leaders of Hitler’s “Kirchenkampf” plans which comprise no less than 150 volumes of Nuremberg Trial documents alone! Even though Hitler may have written and said things at times to make him sound Christian, such as things he said in Mein Kampf, it should be remembered Mien Kampf is political propaganda and not to be taken at face value. Mein Kampf also doesn’t mention Hitler’s plans for the Holocaust, either. Ruteger’s Journal of Religion and Law has made those Nuremberg documents available to read online (need URL).

There have been may spurious accounts about Hitler and the Nazis, the occult being one subject. A book published in 1973 called The Spear of Destiny claimed Hitler was a Satanist obsessed with a legendary spear thought to have pierced the side of Christ. It also claims Hitler was a blood drinking Satanist who traveled to India and joined the cult of Kali. These, and many other bizarre stories are untrue. But there is no doubt that Hitler, Hess and Himmler were all involved in the occult to varying degrees, nonetheless.

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There are many claims that Hitler belonged to various occult societies that combined racism and right wing politics with ritual magic. It’s possible some of the groups claimed to be interested in the occult as a smokescreen to hide their political aims. Besides the Thule, one group that Hitler also supposedly belonged to was called the New Order of Templars. The society was created by Georg Liebenfels in 1909, and combined the legends of the Templars with Aryan supremacy. There is at least one verified record of Hitler visiting Liebenfels, and it could certainly be there was a working relationship between the two. Liebenfels wrote to a disciple in a letter in 1932 “Hitler is one of our pupils.” and promised that through Hitler they would “make the whole world tremble”. They did, but the end results were probably not as he and Hitler would have hoped.

A Look magazine issue of 1940 mentions Hitler had his own observatory and practiced astrology, although Hitler said it was merely just for fun. The words “Hitler” and “fun” don’t exactly go together, and realizing some of the people trafficked with, it was probably more than for amusement purposes. Hitler’s superstition became so well known, that even The Three Stooges made a short that same year that mocked Hitler’s belief in astrology (and also mocked Hitler himself, of course! Soitenly!). When British Intelligence discovered Hitler’s interest in star gazing, they hired an astrologer named Pohl to try to figure out what Hitler’s astrologers were telling him. When asked about a British invasion, Pohl told Churchill he personally had known all the astrologers advising Hitler, and that they all had advised him against it. He was apparently right, since no dreaded invasion of Britain ever took place.

The Nazis attitude toward astrologers was ambivalent. On the one hand, they outlawed fortunetellers and astrologers, but quietly employed some of them for official party business. Hitler hired an astrologer and hypnotist named Hume to teach him about mass psychology and hypnosis. It’s believed Hume taught him the strange hand gestures that you often see used by Hitler during speeches in newsreels. Hume opened a seance parlor called “Castle of The Occult”. He had the room bugged with microphones to pick up conversations before the seances to fool people into thinking he had occult powers. He seemed to have predicted the Reischtag fire, perhaps because he played some part in it, or because the Nazis had told him about it, or he picked up plans for it during a bugged conversation. He was murdered 6 weeks later by the Berlin police, no one knows for sure why, but it’s generally thought the Reischtag fire had something to do with it. It may have been because his Jewish parentage finally came to light, or perhaps his microphones had been discovered, or it may have been because the Berlin Chief of Police was indebted to him for a large amount of money. At any rate, Hitler’s astrologer didn’t see it coming!

The Nazis belief in astrology was so strong they were even willing to risk a U-Boat and it’s crew for a simple dime store farmer’s almanac. In 1942, German spies were sent by U-Boat to North Carolina to buy a copy of The Old Farmer’s Almanac, believing it had the most accurate weather forecasts in the world (even though this has been proven not to be the case in scientic studies) They were promptly captured in the attempt of trying to buy a copy. Uncle Sam banned publication of all such almanacs until the end of WWII to discourage future attempts.

Occultism and quack science seem to go hand in hand, and not surprisingly quack sciences flourished under Hitler. Hoebinger was a mechanic who created a theory of “Fire and Ice” to explain the creation of the universe. His theory was that the moon was made of ice, and that planets were created when huge globes of ice collided with the sun. The current moon is the fourth such ice globe to be the earth’s satellite, and would plunge to earth in 1000 years, creating another deluge. This is supposedly why Hitler said the Third Reich would last 1000 years. Scientists were forced to accept this bizarre and unscientific Fire and Ice theory which Hitler favored as an alternative to what he called “Jewish science”. Hilter liked Hoebinnger so much, that Hoebinnger is the only person known to have told Hilter to shut up while he was talking...and live! Hoebinnger died in 1933, but a group of psudeo-scientists he assembled while alive continued to advise the Nazis. “The Hoebinngers” as they were known wrongly predicted a mild winter for Russia in 1942 which resulted in disaster for Germany when their troops experienced a sub-arctic nightmare. The winter was so cold gun powder wouldn’t ignite. Hoebinnger believed the earth was merely a hollow globe and the Nazis experimented on a crazy scheme to create a radar system based on the idea. It failed to work, since the earth isn’t hollow.

During WWII, the Germans became perplexed as to why the British were so good at finding and destroying their U-Boats and ships. They somehow drew the bizarre conclusion that the British were using psychics with pendulums swinging over maps (used sort of like divining rods) to do this. It didn’t occur to them, thank goodness for the world, that the British had in fact captured a German code machine (called an Enigma machine). The pendulum diviners were employed with Hitler’s approval, but did absolutely nothing to help locate British ships.

Hitler started out at the beginning of WW2 with the world's largest army while America had the 16th largest. His ally Japan, a nation of adherents to the Shinto religion who are goddess worshipers (not unlike Wiccans)decimated America's navy with the attack on Pearl Harbor. Although Mussolini was an atheist who only paid lip service to the Vatican to keep up appearances, the Fascists had occultist supporters like the Baron Julius Cesare and Andrea Evola, who wanted Italy to return to Roman paganism. Spain was yet another powerful ally to Hitler. Germany was way ahead in atomic bomb research at the beginning of the war.

In theory, Hitler should have won WW2 based on his resources, and in fact Germany was winning the war in the beginning.. But instead of course, Germany lost WW2, with Hitler biting on a cyanide capsule while simultaneously pulling the trigger of gun pointed at his head. Germany, Italy, and Japan lay in ruins. Spain had backed out of WWII declaring itself neutral and depriving Hitler of any help it might bring. Hitler’s name is the most reviled in history. So much for Odin! The occult didn’t help the evil Hitler, nor will it help anyone else. As a final act, Hitler committed suicide on April 30th...the Neopagan holiday of Walpurgisnacht. Some people speculate this date was chosen due to some kind of occult belief. Could Hitler have offered himself as a sort of human sacrifice to Germanic Pagan gods as a last desperate attempt to win the war? If so, this last magical act also failed.

Adolph Hitler; a failure and the most despised man to have ever lived.
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PostFri Apr 30, 2010 6:56 pm » by Chronicnerd

Nice information and post about Hitler Savwafair (2012).

Ok...so to make this clear...before I say this...I do not condone anything Hitler did nor do I support anything that he was involved with that harmed humans.

I was once told to look for the "most logical answer" and more often than not it turns out to be and/or is related to the "most logical answer"... so with this said...most of what you posted above is more than likely the "logical answer" based on what you posted as well as old and new historical evidence.

Of course, there is always a "However"...

I haven't done in-depth study of Hitler, and so I rarely like talking too much about this man as it always seems to spawn emotional responses from people. So, what I am going to say is only a "concept/question/curiosity" that I have had for quite some time now.

To spare another verbose posting, I will leave out full detail and anything questioned I can pull from the right sources and post if you would like...

So...back to the "however"...

I find something "odd" about Hitler... he was a "pro-Aryan"...well... he was mixed up in a group of "core supporters" that posed all sorts of questions and answers on some very radical concepts...Himmler was Hitlers right hand man so to speak...and Himmler was the strongest supporter of "Blond hair, blue eyes, and perfect health/body/proportions".

There are some oddities about his hate for the Jewish folk as well as the "communist" party according to many "historical" books... the unfortunate part about this as we are now coming to find out is many of our "historical books" today paint a *completely* different story than what many historical books did...say 40 years ago...on the same materials.

FDR and the progressives/liberals/socialist party were painted as *bad* in older books...but in todays books they are painted as heros.

Now, again, I am *not* trying to imply Hitler is a *hero*...but rather that we can all agree that information, just because it is written down in a book, is not always "right".

So, the things that have been bothering me about Hitler and all of his "seemingly crazy" actions and "hate" against humans (Blacks, Asians, and if he made it to the Americas I would say Native Indians and Hispanics too...primarily Himmler was the *pusher* of this agenda but Hitler <not fitting the criteria Himmler put in place...blond hair, blue eyes, good body build> was not completely crazy about it...but he most definitely supported it>)...anyways...there are some "things" that sort of bother me about the whole "Nazi" concept and all of the crazy technology and "rumors" and/or "myths" surrounding the Nazi regime.

1.) They had some form of advanced propulsion system as well as many rumors and supporting evidence have shown that the Nazis were not only fighting a war, but they were evidently in the midst of a frantic climb up the technology chain...many of our founding technology in this world today derives from things either made by the Germans during this period or were made later by the scientists who were building things for the Germans for this time period.
2.) There are crazy rumors and some "semi-supporting" evidence that Nazi's very well could have had some form of already existing space program
3.) There are speculations/claims/rumors/myths that they had been "looking for" specific artifacts/items and some speculate they found many of them.
4.) There are speculations/claims/rumors/myths that they had found "hollow earth" and had talked with a group of "Paledians" (sp?) which, as it so happens to be, are described as having blond hair, blue eyes, and are of a tall muscular build.
5.) There are speculations/claims/rumors/myths that Hitler and/or some members of the Nazi Regime had actually figured out and/or found the entrance to Hollow Earth, and thus how they supposedly met the "Paledians"(sp?).
6.) There are rumors that Hitler and/or Himmler and/or other higher ranking members of the Nazi regime made their way to the South Pole where they continued their "saucer" technology. Some speculate/theorize/spread rumors that they finalized their technology and began populating other regions on earth (perhaps hollow earth) and/or in space (rumors/myths/speculations).
7.) There are speculations that, from all of the research for all of the odd technologies, the Nazis figured out how to build "anti-gravity" devices and from this founding technology they mastered space flight as well as...some say...time travel.
8.) There are many "weird" things the Nazi's were involved with regarding "technology" as well their "gods" were all very "Paledian(sp?)" looking individuals...Thor, Oden, Fraya, etc...

Now, here is the real "however" portion to all of this (you have to really use your imagination here...so remember...just playing around with weird concepts):

I find it odd that an entire country moved from what was known more as being "Christian" to being some weird occult that worshiped many "Gods". They evidently had weird "religious" parades where they would have people dressed up like the Gods and walking on stilts during the parade (inner-earth is supposed to have "giant like people" of a "fair" complexion and "Blond hair blue eyes"). As well, they had a radical "transformation" that caught on like "wild fire" and in less than a year almost the entire German population (minus the ones not considered "brothers") was converted over to this seemingly weird and strange occult based society.

I like to ask the question: "Why?"

So, when trying to see where someone like Hitler would all of the sudden want to "eradicate" all Jewish people...well really anyone who wasn't part of the "controlled population and genetics" program they were sporting to their population. So, I ask the question: "Why?"

There are many "speculations" as to "why", however the further you dig into the Nazi era, the more "strange" things you find...

Coming back to the future...today... we can see Iran and Israel are getting close to "Nuclear"" exchanges. If you also look at the Nazi "revolution", you can sort of "detect" a frantic effort for complete global domination...as if there was a specific reason that was "worth any sacrifice" in order to try to achieve a certain goal.

The big question still..."Why?"

With all that we know today, and many new "pieces" of information slowly trickling out into the Inet, I tried to run through all of the scenarios... but I kept coming back to things like this:

On 15 October 1918, Hitler was admitted to a field hospital, temporarily blinded by a mustard gas attack. The English psychologist David Lewis and Bernhard Horstmann suggest the blindness may have been the result of a conversion disorder (then known as "hysteria").[35] Hitler said it was during this experience that he became convinced the purpose of his life was to "save Germany." Some scholars, notably Lucy Dawidowicz,[36] argue that an intention to exterminate Europe's Jews was fully formed in Hitler's mind at this time, though he probably had not thought through how it could be done. Most historians think the decision was made in 1941, and some think it came as late as 1942.

Two passages in Mein Kampf mention the use of poison gas:

At the beginning of the Great War, or even during the War, if twelve or fifteen thousand of these Jews who were corrupting the nation had been forced to submit to poison-gas . . . then the millions of sacrifices made at the front would not have been in vain.[37]

These tactics are based on an accurate estimation of human weakness and must lead to success, with almost mathematical certainty, unless the other side also learns how to fight poison gas with poison gas. The weaker natures must be told that here it is a case of to be or not to be.[22]

And then you come across this:

The Nazi era Thule Society reported much about Tibetan myths of openings into the Earth. There is even a theory that Hitler ordered a research journey for such an opening in Antarctica, based on a speech of Admiral Dönitz in front of a German submarine in 1944, when he claimed "The German submarine fleet is proud of having built an invisible fortification for the Führer, anywhere in the world." During the Nuremberg Trials, Dönitz spoke of "an invisible fortification, in midst of the eternal ice."[4]

And then you have this whole Thule Society that has *indirect* links to Hitler...
Yet many of Hitler's support group were known "Thules", and as such they had a much *different* view of our world.

So, the only "rational" explanation I could come up with...was somehow Hitler (and/or some of his top officials) had come across and/or developed some form of technique and/or technology that would give them a "glimpse" into the future.

Back in those days, people had a hard time with "space ships" let alone time travel and/or things of this nature...they typically would go to war over things that were based more on "greed" than anything else (one side or the other side).

So...in make believe/weirdo-Hitler-Thule-Aryan-HollowEarth reality... if much of or large portions of their concepts and beliefs turned out to be true...and they did somehow get a "glimpse" of the future...and it was a dismal future...and the only information they could "pull" from this "glimpse" was the "catalysts" to some form of "global catastrophe"...which outlined Israel and Iran starting the problem...perhaps a black president in the west creating more issues and asian influence in the east causing even more issues...which all resulted in some "weird" death or ending to our race...

Back in the day of get off my property or get shot (and not worry about going to jail, court, etc)... if they indeed had some glimpse of the future and all they "knew" was that specific races seemed to be "pressure points" or "key elements" to a series of catastrophic events...and let's just pretend in this "weirdo" world that it was really like the same message...they could only get "glimpses" or "specific images/visions" of the future...

What would they do with this information? If you were someone already "a little nuts" and you were presented with an "end world" scenario and data to support it...and *seemingly* (remember not saying this is...just saying the potential for his perception could have been) it was "key races" that caused this "catastrophic" world ending event...how would you go about trying to prevent that?

Obviously, if this was the case and he figured that by just "taking over" and "not allowing specific genetics to exist in the future" that it would "change history"...then he might do many things and feel almost "chosen" to "fix" the problem of the future.

Strange stuff... probably would make a good Sci-Fi book or the like... :)

But...there are some strange things about the whole Nazi era that don't really seem to make sense...

Any thoughts?

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PostFri Apr 30, 2010 8:31 pm » by Savwafair2012

I find your respondes incredible insightful your question's bring up wild theroies and amazing ideas. What was the basis of German knowlage and why did they have this infomation before the West ever got wind of UFO's. Did some being try to lend a helping hand to Hiltler Just like they helped David. :think:
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PostFri Apr 30, 2010 9:26 pm » by Knurrebusk

I´m not gonna get into the horrors of a 3´rd reich or islam.
But if any of you think this type of regime is worth liveing under, put yourself in the position where you don´t fit in, imagine the people you hate, and put yourself in their place.

Can´t run/hide, it will never change, all hope of change is lost for many thousand years, do you still like it?

The hard work in many areas was not done by nazi´s, they just pushed/scared/lured the bright ones to deliver a product to them.

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PostFri Apr 30, 2010 10:16 pm » by Knurrebusk

Albert Speer is a very interesting insight into a more calm bipolar mind, Hitler was more a master of ranting in the end, but very cunning in younger years, and bold.

He was not able to take selfcritic, (strongly medicated), and in the end he probably was to redused mentally to understand the key to victory was the one he tried so hard to destroy.

So I´m forever greatful for this madmans little penis complex, as I´m confident this helped prepare for his downfall.
Did he only do bad?, no I don´t think so, he played his part in what is the endless cosmos.

If you held him in your arms as a baby again, would you judge him on his past merits if you knew?

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PostFri Apr 30, 2010 11:11 pm » by Hamal67

Odin was of Norse origin not Germanic whose equivalent was Wotan and the English is Woden.

Hitler wanted for the German people a society similar to one the English had before William the Bastard invaded and destroyed which was the envy of Europe, you have to feel for Germany and her people just coming out of an economic and financial war waged by the Jews then sandwiched between capitalism and communism neither of whom wanted to see Germany prosper for the benefit of her people,.

Also how could Germany, overrun in the blink of an eye two of the biggest and sophisticated militaries of the time, Poland & France yet struggle for 6 years against Britain who were still trying to rebuild from the first WW ?

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PostFri Apr 30, 2010 11:41 pm » by Knurrebusk

I still wonder if any of you have understood that he was a very tourmented soul?
He lashed out at everyone like a little cobra, have you witnessed a King Cobra close up?

Not pushed, we are so much more mobile, but confident/safe.
Wonderful animal, much more stable then hitler ever was.

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PostSat May 01, 2010 12:34 am » by Hamal67

telocvovim wrote:jeder schuß ein ruß....

jeder tritt ein brit....

jeder stoß ein franzoß....




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PostSat May 01, 2010 12:36 am » by Hamal67

knurrebusk wrote:I still wonder if any of you have understood that he was a very tormented soul?

Shit, who isn't ?

And I spelt tormented right for you.

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PostSat May 01, 2010 3:05 am » by NamelessGhoul

telocvovim wrote:reason 2: göring.....


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