Was Israel Ever Legitimate????

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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 2:01 pm » by Savwafair2012


The history of Israel as a geopolitical fraud will fill entire libraries asthose defrauded marvel at how so few deceived so many for so long. Those duped include many naive Jews who "even now" identify their interests with this extremist enclave. Israeli leaders are wrong to worry about "de-legitimization."

They are right to fear that a long-deceived public is fast realizing that Israel's founding was key to an ongoing deception. The Invention of the Jewish People did not begin with Shlomo Sand's 2009 bestseller by that title. There was no Exile says this Jewish scholar. Nor was there an Exodus. So how could there be a Return, the core premise of Israeli statehood? If this patch of Palestinian land never rightly belonged to a mythical Jewish People, what then for the legitimacy of the "Jewish homeland."

And for that depiction by British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour in his November 1917 letter to Lord Rothschild? Were Christians likewise seduced by Sunday school teachings reliant on the phony findings of Biblical archeologist William Albright? Shlomo Sand chronicles how in the 1920s Albright interpreted every excavation in Palestine to "reaffirm the Old Testament and thereby the New." In 1948, President Harry Truman, a Christian Zionist, was advised by Secretary of State George Marshall not to recognize this enclave as a state.

This WWII general assured Truman that he would vote against him? and did. That military tradition resurfaced in January 2010 when General David Petraeus dispatched a team to brief Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on the perils that Israel still poses to U.S. national security. Mullen was reportedly shocked. See: The Petraeus Briefing. He should not have been surprised. Such insights are hardly new. More than six decades ago the Joint Chiefs of Staff cautioned Truman about the "fanatical concepts of the Jewish leaders" and their plans for"Jewish military and economic hegemony over the entire Middle East."

In December 1948, Albert Einstein and 27 prominent Jews urged us "not to support this latest manifestation of fascism." They warned that a "Leader State" was the goal of the "terrorist party"that has governed Israel over all but a handful of the past 62 years. The Joint Chiefs foresaw the "Zionist strategy will seek to involve [the U.S.] in a continuously widening and deepening series of operations intended to secure maximum Jewish objectives."

Soon after Truman recognized Israel, his presidential campaign train was "refueled" by Zionist Jews with $400,000 in contributions ($3.6 million in 2010 dollars). Soon thereafter, Israel betrayed the U.S. by allying with the British and the French to invade Egypt. Though London and Paris soon abandoned the operation, months more were required to dissuade Tel Aviv from pursuing their expansionist agenda then (as now) for Greater Israel.

Outraged by Israeli duplicity, Eisenhower sought help to rein them in. He soon found that even then (as now) the Israel lobby dominated Congress. Thus the former Supreme Allied Commander appeared on television with an appealdirectly to the American people. Then-unlike now-a U.S. Commanderin Chief threatened to reduce assistance to Israel.

To revamp Israel's tattered image, New York public relations expert Edward Gottlieb retained novelist Leon Uris to write Exodus. Jewish Zionists have routinely proven themselves skilled storytellers and masterful mythmakers. This 1958 bestseller was translated into dozens of languages and quickly made into a movie for the 1960 Christmas season starring Paul Newman and featuring Peter Lawford, brother-in-law of the just-elected President John F. Kennedy. See: Timefor an American Intifada? The Myth of a Loyal Ally Phil Tourney survived the June 8, 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that left 34 Americans dead and 175 wounded.

The region-wide dynamics accompanying that provocative Six-Day land grab guaranteed the conflicts that remain so perilous to U.S. national security. It was during this Israeli operation that Tourney gave a one-fingered salute to armed Israeli troops as they hovered in helicopters over the USS Liberty while preparing to rappel to the deck and, he surmises, kill the survivors and sink the ship. Just then the captain aboard a nearby U.S. carrier scrambled jets to assist a vessel under attack by an "ally."

When Israeli intelligence intercepted the transmission, the helicopters fled only to have President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara recall our fighters. Soon thereafter, Israeli torpedo boats pulled alongside the USS Liberty to inquire if those aboard needed assistance.

Those same boats had just blown a hole in the hull, killing 25 Americans. Israeli machine-gunners had then strafed stretcher-bearers, firemen, life rafts and even the firehoses?all clear war crimes. Only then did this ally display the chutzpah to ask if our servicemen required assistance. Had that notorious land grab failed to advance the narrative of Israel as the victim, what might be the condition of U.S. national security today?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently conceded the duplicity that continues to typify this "special relationship." As he confessed: "Our policy on Jerusalem is the same policy followed by all Israeli governments for 42 years, and it has not changed. As far as we are concerned, building in Jerusalem is the same as building in Tel Aviv." In other words, the 1967 war was neither defensive nor preemptive but an outright taking of land that, one year later, Tel Aviv acknowledged as precisely what concerned the Pentagon 62 years ago.

In effect, Netanyahu confirmed that this relationship reflects multi-decadepremeditation. The U.S. has since discredited itself by protecting this "ally" from the rule of law for its taking and brutal occupation ofland that rightly belongs to others. Even now, few know that Mathilde Krim, a former Irgun operative, was"servicing" our Commander-in- Chief in the White House the night the1967 war began. Her husband, Arthur, then chaired the finance committee for theDemocratic National Committee. Even now, few Americans know the role in that cover-up played by AdmiralJohn McCain, Jr. Or the role still played in this sordid history by his son, Republican Senator John McCain III. See: McCain Family Secret.

Are those who champion this "state" the same belief-makers responsible for the myth of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction? Iraqi meetingsin Prague? Iraqi mobile biological weapons laboratories? High-level Iraqi contacts with Al Qaeda? Iraqi yellowcake uranium from Niger? Was any of that intelligence legitimate? Whose interests were served by deceiving the U.S. to wage war in the Middle East? By the Suez Crisis? By theSix-Day War? By covering up the attack on the USS Liberty? Adhering to an Enemy? How are U.S. interests served by treating Israel as a legitimate state?

When was Israeli behavior anything other than duplicitous? At what point do we concede the common source of the storylines foisted on an imperiled global public? Who created the narrative that saw us segue seamlessly from a global Cold War to a global War on Terrorism? Remember the promise of a post-Cold War "peace dividend"? Who induced the U.S. to wage a war whose costscould total $3 trillion, including $700 billion in interest? Why is debt always the prize?

At the end of WWII, the U.S. was home to 50% of the world's productive power. Were we induced to hollow out our economy by the same consensus-shapers that induced us to wage war in the Middle East? Do these devastating dynamics trace to a common source? Who benefits from the "Islamo" fascist narrative? Whose story line really is The Clash of Civilizations? Who has long spied on the U.S. and routinely transferred to other nations our most sensitive defense technologies? Who had the means, motive, opportunity and, importantly, the stable nation state intelligence required to perpetrate such a debilitating fraud frominside the U.S. government? And from inside other governments that joined the "coalition of the willing"? If not Israel and its supporters?who? In effect, are those now advocating an "unbreakable bond" with Israel giving aid and comfort to an enemy within?

Israel is right to worry. It was never legitimate. As both an enabler and a target of this fraud, the U.S. has an obligation to concede its source?and to secure the weapons of mass destruction now under the control of this enclave.



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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 2:28 pm » by Freeyourmindnow


answer is simple: no

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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 3:21 pm » by Freeyourmindnow


Israel the nation is legitimate only to the extent that the UN allowed it to exist, within very specific borders, in 1947. As Israel expands by taking over other peoples' lands, i.e., that of the Palestinians, - who were also promised their own country by the UN, - Israel weakens its legal and moral legitimacy considerably.

The argument that somehow Palestine is Israel's biblical birthright is spurious and no one with any education and intelligence accepts that as a legitimate argument for Israel's existence. The Laplanders and Apaches may also have myths saying the land around them is theirs only, but so what?

Incidentally, it is very important to realize that the Zionists, who founded Israel, were not particularly religious or practicing Jews and that prior to 1948, most rabbis and pious Jews were against the Zionists, a group of largely European atheist socialists who decided ON THEIR OWN to return to their 'promised land' completely independent of God's judgment that the Jews could not return until they had repented in God's eyes. To this day, some Orthodox Jews believe it is the ultimate blasphemy that a group of nonreligious Jews were so arrogant as to enter the Holy Land and settle without the Holy One's permission.

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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 4:48 pm » by sockpuppet


Israel was never 'legitimate' but it is too late now... Nothing is served by throwing out millions of (Jewish) people who have made it their home now for over two generations. The Arabs will just have to learn to move on.
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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 7:05 pm » by Freeyourmindnow


sockpuppet wrote:Israel was never 'legitimate' but it is too late now... Nothing is served by throwing out millions of (Jewish) people who have made it their home now for over two generations. The Arabs will just have to learn to move on.


Arabs are not the problem, Zionist are. :headscratch:

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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 7:09 pm » by Harryjackson


"Then he said, ‘Your name shall no more be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.'" (Genesis Chapter 32 verse 28)

Isreal was never a place.

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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 7:28 pm » by zinzana


harryjackson wrote:Isreal was never a place.

i like that....its like saying to someone u were never born and you never died

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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 7:45 pm » by Zegtelzegtel


was The United States Ever Legitimate?????
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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 8:04 pm » by Harbin


zegtelzegtel wrote:was The United States Ever Legitimate?????


Hey ! Stop that. That's dangerous talk.
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PostThu Jun 17, 2010 8:06 pm » by Phaeton


harbin wrote:
zegtelzegtel wrote:was The United States Ever Legitimate?????


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Hey ! Stop that. That's dangerous talk.


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