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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 7:43 pm » by SolStone


Poot,
I don't agree. There are existing laws and statutes that prohibit elected persons from this practice - the problem is non-enforcement of these statutes. They get away with it because of teams of lawyers which find loopholes and (even worse) create amendments to those statutes based on circumstantial conditions (loosely defined in the amendments).

Even worse than that is the national security clause which allows them to hide and conceal evidence in events such as court cases, accountability proceedings, and similar examinations of guilt.

The problem is accountability and enforcement of the law across all 3 branches of government. Stop paying persons to participate in government and you will have far less persons to hold accountable. In this information age we are all a part of, that makes accountability that much closer to reality.

If we continue to do our part, then all will be balanced - so long as we cut the fat off this government and bring the employee count within an acceptable range for proper accountability.
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This answer may not be sufficient for you (and I agree, there are many wrinkles that must be ironed in any scenario), but I am content to tackle obstacles as they come, and not slow down our forward development worrying about tomorrow - today's problems are enough for me!

We'll get it figured, I have faith in that much :)

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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 7:48 pm » by Noentry


Domeika wrote:No matter what, I will not go along with this socialist nightmare. I know, as everyone else does that is awake, that this "law" is null and void. They bent the so called rules to push it through and "deem it passed" as if that makes it ok. It doesn't, and they should all be arrested.

I will not be compelled to buy from them. I will not pay any fine or penalty, period, ever....I refuse.

Let's get this marxist zombie apocolpse started already...


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I understand and agree with you in respect of no one wants to live in a Marxist communist state.
Free markets are by far the best system we have.

However all successful governments have socialist tendencies.
Any organization that is centrally controlled be it military, law enforcement (secret of not), welfare ect ect is still socialist by definition.
By centralizing a service you make it more efficient and the quality of service is better.
A government is far more accountable then a company in service to the public.
So a NHS will be superior to a private health service.



The Most Efficient Health Care Systems In The World (INFOGRAPHICS)
As supporters and opponents of the Affordable Care Act debate the best way to overhaul a clearly broken health care system, it's perhaps helpful to put American medicine in a global perspective.

The infographic below is based on a recent Bloomberg ranking of the most efficient countries for health care, and highlights enormous gap between the soaring cost of treatment in the U.S. and its quality and effectiveness. To paraphrase Ricky Ricardo, the American health care system has a lot of 'splainin' to do.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1325793/original.jpg

t's remarkable how low America places in health care efficiency: among the 48 countries included in the Bloomberg study, the U.S. ranks 46th, outpacing just Serbia and Brazil. Once that sinks in, try this one on for size: the U.S. ranks worse than China, Algeria, and Iran.

But the sheer numbers are really what's humbling about this list: the U.S. ranks second in health care cost per capita ($8,608), only to be outspent by Switzerland ($9,121) -- which, for the record, boasts a top-10 health care system in terms of efficiency. Furthermore, the U.S. is tops in terms of health care cost relative to GDP, with 17.2 percent of the country's wealth spent on medical care for every American.

In other words, the world's richest country spends more of its money on health care while getting less than almost every other nation in return.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1325808/original.jpg
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/2 ... 25477.html




Obviously America has one of the best if not the best health care in the world.
That would be due to the fact it is the best funded in the world and not because it is a privately funded service.
All that will happen with a NHS is Americans will get more for their dollars.

In the UK we also have private heath care for those who want it.
The NHS does not take away from it, in fact they compliment each other.
So if the US political system does accept and vote for a NHS it will not lower the high standard American health care has. And America will not become communist because of it,
imo opinion America would become a greater nation for it.
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PostFri Oct 04, 2013 2:01 pm » by -Marduk-


The number listed on the HealthCare.gov website is 1-800-318-2596, which means the mnemomic version of the number reads…

1-800-F1U-CKYO.

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PostFri Oct 04, 2013 3:00 pm » by 99socks


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The human resources manager helped figure out what her Obamacare insurance premium would be in her circumstance, $6,000.00 per year or $115.39 per her weekly pay check.

So you would have to pay $115.39 per week to be insured for health care and $5000 deductible if you want to use it?

WTF?





NEM, it's worse than that.....


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PostFri Oct 04, 2013 4:18 pm » by Poooooot


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Butch Matthews is a 61-year-old former small business owner from Little Rock, Arkansas who used to wake up every morning at 4 A.M. to deliver canned beverages to retailers before retiring in 2010. A lifelong Republican, he was heavily skeptical of the Affordable Care Act when it first passed. “I did not think that Obamacare was going to be a good plan, I did not think that it was going to help me at all.”

But after doing a little research, Matthews eventually realized how much the law could help him. And on Tuesday, his local Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) provider confirmed that he would be able to buy a far better plan than his current policy while saving at least $13,000 per year through Arkansas’ Obamacare marketplace.

Matthews was self-employed between 1997 and 2010, meaning he had to purchase his own plan on the individual market. He chose a Blue Cross Blue Shield plan for himself and his wife that charged a $250 per month premium and had a $2,000 deductible. But the price of that policy kept rising even as it covered fewer of his costs, eventually devolving into his current rate of $1,069 per month with a $10,000 deductible. At this point, it doesn’t even cover his medication or doctors’ visits — particularly concerning considering he had to have two stents placed in his heart in 2006.

“I do not work now, I’m 61, and we do have assets saved up. But still, to come up with that $1,069 per month….” he said, trailing off. “I went to Blue Cross Blue Shield, and they don’t even sell that plan anymore, but I could not change it to anything else. So I was locked in with it.”

That all changed once Obamacare’s state-level marketplaces opened to the public on Tuesday. Matthews knew that, at his income level, the law would help him pay for insurance. But even he might not have expected just how good of a deal he could get: his new coverage will cost him absolutely nothing in monthly premiums after factoring in federal subsidies, and has a deductible of $750. “Which is a lot different from $10,000,” he pointed out, laughing.

The mid-level “Silver” policy that he picked out also offers a significantly better benefits package. “It’s a lot better plan,” Matthews said. His old plan was considered to be “Bronze” and had much higher co-pays. Under Obamacare, when Matthews visits a doctor, it will no longer cost him around $150. It will cost $8.
So what would Matthews tell other Americans who are skeptical about Obamacare? “I would tell them to learn more about it before they start talking bad about it,” he noted. “Be more informed, get more information, take your time and study and not just go by just what you hear on one side or the other. Actually check the facts on it.”

“I still am a very strong Republican, but this… I’m so happy that this came along,” he continued. “Our home is paid for, vehicle’s paid for, this is our expense that we have. We have more expense on medical care than everything else put together, so this is going to be a great help for us.”
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PostFri Oct 04, 2013 4:55 pm » by The57ironman


Poooooot wrote:


edit to add a quote on this claim:
The National Park Service did not try to stop the veterans from entering the World War II Memorial. source


Obama didn't personally say "Nah, you can't go in there." Hate Obama all you want, but to sit there and blame him personally for that is silly and just plane false.

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....and then there's the WWI memorial.... :lol:


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PostFri Oct 04, 2013 5:06 pm » by Poooooot


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Poor WWI, nobody cares about you anymore...
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PostFri Oct 04, 2013 5:24 pm » by Domeika


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Butch Matthews is a 61-year-old former small business owner from Little Rock, Arkansas who used to wake up every morning at 4 A.M. to deliver canned beverages to retailers before retiring in 2010. A lifelong Republican, he was heavily skeptical of the Affordable Care Act when it first passed. “I did not think that Obamacare was going to be a good plan, I did not think that it was going to help me at all.”

But after doing a little research, Matthews eventually realized how much the law could help him. And on Tuesday, his local Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) provider confirmed that he would be able to buy a far better plan than his current policy while saving at least $13,000 per year through Arkansas’ Obamacare marketplace.

Matthews was self-employed between 1997 and 2010, meaning he had to purchase his own plan on the individual market. He chose a Blue Cross Blue Shield plan for himself and his wife that charged a $250 per month premium and had a $2,000 deductible. But the price of that policy kept rising even as it covered fewer of his costs, eventually devolving into his current rate of $1,069 per month with a $10,000 deductible. At this point, it doesn’t even cover his medication or doctors’ visits — particularly concerning considering he had to have two stents placed in his heart in 2006.

“I do not work now, I’m 61, and we do have assets saved up. But still, to come up with that $1,069 per month….” he said, trailing off. “I went to Blue Cross Blue Shield, and they don’t even sell that plan anymore, but I could not change it to anything else. So I was locked in with it.”

That all changed once Obamacare’s state-level marketplaces opened to the public on Tuesday. Matthews knew that, at his income level, the law would help him pay for insurance. But even he might not have expected just how good of a deal he could get: his new coverage will cost him absolutely nothing in monthly premiums after factoring in federal subsidies, and has a deductible of $750. “Which is a lot different from $10,000,” he pointed out, laughing.

The mid-level “Silver” policy that he picked out also offers a significantly better benefits package. “It’s a lot better plan,” Matthews said. His old plan was considered to be “Bronze” and had much higher co-pays. Under Obamacare, when Matthews visits a doctor, it will no longer cost him around $150. It will cost $8.
So what would Matthews tell other Americans who are skeptical about Obamacare? “I would tell them to learn more about it before they start talking bad about it,” he noted. “Be more informed, get more information, take your time and study and not just go by just what you hear on one side or the other. Actually check the facts on it.”

“I still am a very strong Republican, but this… I’m so happy that this came along,” he continued. “Our home is paid for, vehicle’s paid for, this is our expense that we have. We have more expense on medical care than everything else put together, so this is going to be a great help for us.”


That is from "ThinkProgress", which has zero credibility until verified since you'd have to crawl under whale shite to find lower individuals.

However, if verified, then ok, but I'd lay odds this guy doesn't exist. There are common nom de guerres used in phony testimonials for all types of things and "Butch" is one of them because it makes it harder to track down a person when you don't know their actual given name.

After searching a bit, every single article seems to link back to or was copied from thinkprogress.org so for now until I see an actual human (breathing that is.....have to specify that when dealing with democrats) and I find that he is also actually a registered republican I have to go under the assumption that unverified, it is BS.

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PostFri Oct 04, 2013 5:56 pm » by SolStone


If you desire the Federal Government regulating all aspects of the medical industry and your relations to it, then embrace the trend (not that most of you tax payers have a choice anyway; every one of you will be put on a list regardless once you visit the hospitals and state how you will or will not pay).

I have worked for the government and that is the last organization in existence that deserves to regulate an industry dealing in the health and wellbeing. They work off the cheapest affordable care based on the amount of TAX you pay annually.

There are several chambers of commerce in several states which follow the same Gold/Silver/Bronze ratings in their regulation of business/commerce. There more TAX you pay annually improves the coverage your business receives as well as removes regulations the higher grade rating you go.

I'm not arguing with you or anyone else anymore; I don't even pay taxes so to be honest every one of you are far more dependent on Big Government than I ever will be and I simply don't understand the mentalities in play here.

Medical Industry should not be regulated by any Federal entity - government has no hand in the health and medical treatment of its people - ONLY in the mediation between States (to keep them from erupting into inter-state conflict).

For the record: I read nearly 700 pages of the document and my opinion only worsened.

How many of you have read the full document before trying to sell it to persons other than yourself?

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PostFri Oct 04, 2013 6:07 pm » by Poooooot


Domeika wrote:However, if verified, then ok, but I'd lay odds this guy doesn't exist.

Because his name is "Butch," which is a nickname (for everything from Bert to Roland, but in his case, Harland), I did a search on his wife Debbie.
http://www.zabasearch.com/people/debora ... 1257050809
Sherwood is a suburb of Little Rock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherwood,_Arkansas

Property Records for Harland and Deborah Matthews.
http://www.arcountydata.com/parcel.asp? ... ode=PULTAX

I don't want to go all creepy-stalker on them by researching further, but if you want to feel free.




edit: It's pretty scary how easily I was able to find these people. :nails:
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