Were ancient civilizations more advanced than we are now?

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PostSun Jan 10, 2010 4:58 pm » by Mep630


We still could not reproduce the building of the pyramids with its almost perfect alignments.

Yes, you read that correct, the best human builders in our would could not rebuild a copy of the pyramids and make it as precise as the original.

there are tons of examples of aliens and ufo's in our past, and as such, it is quite possible more advanced civilizations lived on the earth way before us.

if you look at how old the universe is, and how old humans are to it, it is possible and most likely probable that there are aliens that are millions and maybe even billions of years older then us. As such think of the technology they could have in a few million years!

Everything in our past is hidden in the best place, right in front of everyone face, lol.

People don't put things together or look to see how things could connect, because honestly, it all does.

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PostSun Jan 10, 2010 5:16 pm » by Pindz


i agree with Mepster, you cant built pyramids with elephants lmao

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PostSun Jan 10, 2010 5:29 pm » by Hansom


Advanced ? No.
Looking at the evidence it would certainly seem that they had more knowledge, than we presently exhibit.
However it would also seem by judging what has happened between then and now.
They showed just as much wisdom (or lack of) as we currently do today.
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PostSun Jan 10, 2010 7:09 pm » by Mushroom


bladerunner wrote:Check out the book 'Forbidden archaeology' which if correct has meant that this planet has been inhabited for much longer than we have previously been led to beleive


I have never read this before so thanks for the heads-up. I am about halfway through the shortened version (only 200ish pages) which can be found here http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forum ... ost&id=297

Heres my favourite abstract so far (I will try to verify some of the info when I have finished reading)
A SHOE SOLE FROM NEVADA
On October 8, 1922, the American Weekly section of the New York Sunday
American ran a prominent feature titled "Mystery of the Petrified 'Shoe Sole' 5,000,000
Years Old," by Dr. W. H. Ballou. Ballou wrote: "Some time ago, while he was prospecting
for fossils in Nevada, John T. Reid, a distinguished mining engineer and geologist, stopped
suddenly and looked down in utter bewilderment and amazement at a rock near his feet. For
there, a part of the rock itself, was what seemed to be a human footprint! Closer inspection
showed that it was not a mark of a naked foot, but was, apparently, a shoe sole which had
been turned into stone. The forepart was missing. But there was the outline of at least twothirds
of it, and around this outline ran a well-defined sewn thread which had, it appeared,
attached the welt to the sole. Further on was another line of sewing, and in the center,
where the foot would have rested had the object been really a shoe sole, there was an
indentation, exactly such as would have been made by the bone of the heel rubbing upon
and wearing down the material of which the sole had been made. Thus was found a fossil
which is the foremost mystery of science today. For the rock in which it was found is at
least 5,000,000 years old."
Reid brought the specimen to New York, where he tried to bring it to the attention
of other scientists. Reid reported: "On arrival at New York, I showed this fossil to Dr.
James F. Kemp, geologist of Columbia University; Professors H. F. Osborn, D. Matthew
and E. O. Hovey of the American Museum of Natural History. All of these men reached the
same conclusion, in effect that 'it was the most remarkable natural imitation of an artificial
object they had ever seen.' These experts agreed, however, that the rock formation was
Triassic, and manufacturers of shoes agreed that originally the specimen was a hand-welted
sole. Dr. W. D. Matthew wrote a brief report on the find declaring that while all the
semblances of a shoe were present, including the threads with which it had been sewn, it
was only a remarkable imitation, a lusus naturae, or 'freak of nature.'" Curiously enough, an
inquiry by us to the American Museum of Natural History resulted in a reply that the report
by Matthew is not in their files.
Reid, despite Matthew's dismissal, nevertheless persisted: "I next got hold of a
microphotographer and an analytical chemist of the Rockefeller Institute, who, on the
outside, so as not to make it an institute matter, made photos and analyses of the specimen.
The analyses proved up [removed] any doubt of the shoe sole having been subjected to
Triassic fossilization. . . . The microphoto magnifications are twenty times larger than the
specimen itself, showing the minutest detail of thread twist and warp, proving conclusively
that the shoe sole is not a resemblance, but is strictly the handiwork of man. Even to the
naked eye the threads can be seen distinctly, and the definitely symmetrical outlines of the
shoe sole. Inside this rim and running parallel to it is a line which appears to be regularly
perforated as if for stitches. I may add that at least two geologists whose names will
develop someday have admitted that the shoe sole is valid, a genuine fossilization in
Triassic rocks." The Triassic rock bearing the fossil shoe sole is now recognized as being
far more than 5 million years old. The Triassic period is now generally dated at 213-248
million years ago.

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PostSun Jan 10, 2010 7:40 pm » by georgethebear


mushroom wrote:I am very interested in OOPart and ancient civilizations. The more I read on the subject creates more questions than answers.

The ancient indian epics 'The ramayana' and 'Mahabharata' tell of flying machines and an ancient war which could be interpreted as being a nuclear war. Also there is mention of space travel in these epics.

Also, there has been some historical finds to support the mahabharata version of history

What this candidate has in its favour is that a layer of radioactive ash was indeed found in Rajasthan, India. It covered a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. The research occurred after a very high rate of birth defects and cancer was discovered in the area. The levels of radiation registered so high on investigators’ gauges that the Indian government cordoned off the region. Scientists then apparently unearthed an ancient city where they found evidence of an atomic blast dating back thousands of years: from 8,000 to 12,000 years. The blast was said to have destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. So far, this story seems to have all the necessary credentials.

Archaeologist Francis Taylor stated that etchings in some nearby temples he translated, suggested that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. “It’s so mind-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare.”
Furthermore, when excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had killed its inhabitants. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city; there seemed no-one available to bury them afterwards.
What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death. Furthermore, Alexander Gorbovsky, in “Riddles of Ancient History” (published in 1966), reported the discovery of at least one human skeleton in this area with a level of radioactivity approximately fifty times greater than it should have been due to natural radiation. Furthermore, thousands of fused lumps, christened “black stones”, have been found at Mohenjo Daro. These appear to be fragments of clay vessels that melted together in extreme heat.

Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Mumbai (formerly Bombay). The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Mumbai and dated at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world’s only known “impact” crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/bestevidence.html

Although I find this info very intriguing, it does not satisfy my curiosity fully and I feel we will never know the true history of our ancestors.

If a nuclear war did in fact take place and destroy an advanced civilization, then I would have expected alot more impact sites than the ones documented above. How many nuclear bombs would be required to basically end OUR civilization?

If this ancient war did happen and the ancients had nukes, then they would have probably had fallout shelters and DUMBS for their own protection (much like present day). What if the UFO sightings throughout history have in fact been sightings of this ancient civilization in their flying machines?

Is any of this possible or is it all BS... What do you guys think?



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PostSun Jan 10, 2010 7:53 pm » by E6722maj


yes. happy new year :alien:
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PostSun Jan 10, 2010 10:48 pm » by Hesop


One of these days I'll complete a post I'm preparing over this same topic.
However, the debate is still on, over what is to be considered "advanced".

By todays standards, we define "advanced", by ready available technology. I personally believe that this could be a mis-labeling.

Consider this:
In the human body, mouth for example, we carry bacteria. Called "companion" because we need them, and they need us. We survive together.
Other bacteria, viruses, will quickly or gradually kill us because they consume/take over, the host (us).
Fossil records show that ancient hominids lived in the same general areas for several thousands of years. Eating the same food. Not depleting their resources, they knew the importance of them for survival.
How do we stand up to that test?
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PostSun Jan 10, 2010 10:55 pm » by Aragajag


hesop wrote:One of these days I'll complete a post I'm preparing over this same topic.
However, the debate is still on, over what is to be considered "advanced".

By todays standards, we define "advanced", by ready available technology. I personally believe that this could be a mis-labeling.

Consider this:
In the human body, mouth for example, we carry bacteria. Called "companion" because we need them, and they need us. We survive together.
Other bacteria, viruses, will quickly or gradually kill us because they consume/take over, the host (us).
Fossil records show that ancient hominids lived in the same general areas for several thousands of years. Eating the same food. Not depleting their resources, they knew the importance of them for survival.
How do we stand up to that test?


yes the symbiotic relationship how far and deep is it, by all means we live off the life of other things and in turn we are a host to much life.
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PostMon Jan 11, 2010 11:33 am » by Naranja


hesop wrote:One of these days I'll complete a post I'm preparing over this same topic.
However, the debate is still on, over what is to be considered "advanced".

By todays standards, we define "advanced", by ready available technology. I personally believe that this could be a mis-labeling.

Consider this:
In the human body, mouth for example, we carry bacteria. Called "companion" because we need them, and they need us. We survive together.
Other bacteria, viruses, will quickly or gradually kill us because they consume/take over, the host (us).
Fossil records show that ancient hominids lived in the same general areas for several thousands of years. Eating the same food. Not depleting their resources, they knew the importance of them for survival.
How do we stand up to that test?

Looking forward to that post :flop:

I dont think that the hominids where more advanced in any way than chimps, and therefore they would not have the ability to think the thought about if they where depleting theyre resources or not.

I dont believe in evolution, there must have been an intervention to create mankind and also technology, I think that they have had atleast some technology back then that has been forgotten/hidden, but I dont think mankind created it though.
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PostMon Jan 11, 2010 4:36 pm » by Purebase


I would have to agree that there were advanced civilizations far earlier than what we are led to believe. And for many reasons it has been kept from us. And i will try to explain my theory on this. I will start off by saying that i do believe we were influenced as a species from another.
I think that the earlier civilizations global population was not nearly as abundent as it is today at any time in earths history. And all or most of the earliest advanced people all had the same interests in mind. To understand the science and mystery of the universe. Through sacred geometry and far more advanced mathematics and a far better conection with the spiritual nature of the universe. they devoted all theyre time to these understandings . as a people they were far more connected to one another. No destractions from porn,ipod ps3, movies ,makeup,boys ,boobs. etc.
The elites of today still have these devotions to the same understanding of the old world.
It is the fact that our population has exploded to the point of no return that our concept of tech is so obscured. And these elites want nothing more than to keep this knowledge for themselves. So how else to keep a people in the dark from the truth....distractions . And alot of them. Today we as a people are far more concerned with how much money we make, when the next party is, the next new gadget, the next weekend the next american idol, etc... And that didnt happen by accident.
There was no need for these type of distractions in the old world. The people of that era were on the same page as their elites of the time. If they didnt comply they were sacrificed. Back then they built there structures to last as long and old as the universe they were trying to understand. They would much rather know what celestrial body just went past the night sky than who got the biggest screen tv for christmas. Eventually disaster happened. It always does.
The tech of the old world was far more advanced in a completly different manner.
The tech of the new world is all meant to distract and keep us from learning the true knowledge of the living world and universe around us. And it was all planed. What wasnt planed was how quickly our species spread accross the the globe. But dont think for one second the elites havnt been working on a solution to theyre problems. The rest should be easy to figure out on your own.
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