What happened before the big bang???

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:07 am » by **Cageyone23**

Scientists say that the Universe was born out of a Big Bang and before this only a singularity existed, but what existed before this singularity?

According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.

It,s a Chicken before the Egg question. Personally I am a firm believer in the ' Multiverse ' Theory but how did these come about?

The multiverse (or meta-universe, metaverse) is the hypothetical set of multiple possible universes (including the historical universe we consistently experience) that together comprise everything that exists and can exist: the entirety of space, time, matter, and energy as well as the physical laws and constants that describe them. The term was coined in 1895 by the American philosopher and psychologist William James.[1] The various universes within the multiverse are sometimes called parallel universes.

The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe within it and the relationship between the various constituent universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis considered. Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, astronomy, religion, philosophy, transpersonal psychology and fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternative universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", "parallel dimensions", "parallel worlds", "alternative realities", "alternative timelines", and "dimensional planes," among others.

Creation Theology and Science seems to gel nicely together as they both agree that the Universe had a beginning.

Any discussion of the Big Bang theory would be incomplete without asking the question, what about God? This is because cosmogony (the study of the origin of the universe) is an area where science and theology meet. Creation was a supernatural event. That is, it took place outside of the natural realm. This fact begs the question: is there anything else which exists outside of the natural realm? Specifically, is there a master Architect out there? We know that this universe had a beginning. Was God the "First Cause"?

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:36 am » by **Sprite3000**

This is where concept of the god works. To start everything you need a boost and a material, but where did it came from? Let's say another dimension. But how did another dimension was created? So it must be some kind of god or gods. People think that god was and is forever.
Then imagine you will meet him and ask, "Hey dude, whats the first thing in your existance that you can recall? What is your first memory? Or imagine you are a god like 1000000000000000000000000000000 years ago. How the hell you were having fun? Just sitting there in the darkness for eternity? This is where concept of beginingless god fails. So it must be that god is not alone and has somekind of family.
And even if god was "born", something or someone was first! And where did that "first" came from?

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:45 am » by **Constabul**

Which gives way to infinite regress, and a endless circle jerk, as speculative conjecture leads to more questions then answers.

A number of theories have been put forth, many with plausible merit., none proven, and none with the God factor being included.
M Theory being one of these.

Many will continue to believe that God played its part in the grand scheme of things, and due to " Faith" they have all the information needed for them to be satisfied with their conclusion.
Fortunately, not all are so easily impressed, and others ( indeed still some believers ), dig deeper, and utilize Scientific principles to explore other options.

Certainly thanks for the Video, tho by the end of all ( reading and watching the video ), it seemed more a commercial post, then a purposed topic of discussion.

Tho as a topic of discussion, it is a loaded gun, as no definite answer is known at this point in our level of knowledge.

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:47 am » by **Pitbulterrorist**

this is a question humans will never be able to answer. people could drive themselves mad just by trying to answer it. you could give hundreds of theorys but each as unlikely as the next. even with a time machine you couldn't answer it so why bother going there on this subject.

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:57 am » by **Cageyone23**

pitbulterrorist wrote:this is a question humans will never be able to answer. people could drive themselves mad just by trying to answer it. you could give hundreds of theorys but each as unlikely as the next. even with a time machine you couldn't answer it so why bother going there on this subject.

Because exploring possibilities makes life interesting.
I personally seek knowledge in order to educate myself on a variety of topics so I can converse with different people about different subjects.

Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:58 pm » by **Aragajag**

What if there are beings that are pure energy on the quantum, zero point level or what ever you want to call it that can call matter into being. Sort of coalescing thought into the material however they see fit just for the fun of it.
If these beings are plasmic as well mainly dwelling in the center of each and every galaxy may have a set of rules thats deadly to us anywhere in there but it has its own creations coming of age and would be extremely exotic to us thats the ones we could even fathom.
Imo the whole thing is alive and much much more from the lowly bacteria to beings so far up the scale it would blow your mind to bits to comprehend one.

Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:08 pm » by **Cageyone23**

aragajag wrote:Imo the whole thing is alive and much much more from the lowly bacteria to beings so far up the scale it would blow your mind to bits to comprehend one.

http://www.disclose.tv/frameset.php?url ... verse.html

Very well could be aragajag

Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:26 pm » by **Symbolon**

Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:40 pm » by **Frutty**

They don't only know how the universe began, they already know how it will end.

What a bunch of arrogant loonies

:lol:

Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:05 pm » by **Cageyone23**

frutty wrote:They don't only know how the universe began, they already know how it will end.

What a bunch of arrogant loonies

Totally agree
Here's another thing to add to the equation

A black hole has a finite life. This discovery came about when Stephen Hawking discovered that black holes should radiate energy due to quantum mechanical processes. This radiation is called Hawking radiation. As a black hole radiates energy, it shrinks and the more it shrinks, the more it radiates (this is the nature of the radiative process) and so finally it will completely evaporate. However, the timescale for this is extremely long: a black hole of the mass of the Sun will take more than a billion times a billion times a billion times a billion times a billion times a billion times the age of the universe to evaporate completely! So it is not a process which has any significant effect for the black holes we find in astrophysical situations.

So If it takes a black hole that amount of time to evaporate does it exist outside the realms of a universe and knowing that black holes are created from the collapse of a massive star, once created does it even need a universe to exist.