What if Iron Dome is a bluff?

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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 9:42 pm » by Tjahzi


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By Rogel Alpher
Published 17:26 19.07.14

Iron Dome is Israeli society’s deus ex machina coming from nowhere to solve the problems that left us helpless. We worship it. Unquestioningly. We were told up front that it can guarantee interception of only 90 percent of the rockets launched at us, so even a little damage and a few casualties and fatalities won’t cause us to doubt its efficacy.

However, Israel Defense Prize laureate and aerospace engineer Dr. Moti Shefer, whose specialty is interception missiles, says Iron Dome is a bluff. It doesn’t intercept anything but rather invents virtual rockets. The explosions we hear are the sounds of Iron Dome missiles self-destructing. As of the writing of these lines, Hamas rockets have done very little damage to people and property. We see this as proof of Iron Dome’s efficacy and reliability; Shefer says the number of rockets coming in from the Gaza Strip is immeasurably smaller than what Iron Dome reports and in any case they are tinpot weapons, so 95 percent of the time we are safe anyway, irrespective of Iron Dome (and the endless “open spaces” with which we have suddenly been blessed, like some new sort of manna rained down upon us by a benevolent deity).

In an article in Haaretz in March, 2013, the late military commentator Reuven Pedatzur cited anti-missile defense specialist MIT Prof. Theodore Postol, who after analyzing dozens of videos filmed during Operation Pillar of Defense concluded that the percentage of successful interceptions by Iron Dome was only about 5 percent.

Shefer and Postol make the most subversive claim imaginable. If they are right, what we have here is the mother of all conspiracies: The national leadership is manufacturing an imaginary reality and convincing citizens of its truth, out of tyrannical and economic motives. If so, North Korea is here.

Nevertheless, no one is savaging Dr. Shefer. Savaging is reserved for extreme leftists, people who say that Israel’s pilots are war criminals, Ismail Haniyeh is Winston Churchill and Hamas is the victim. For Gideon Levy and Uri Avneri. They are taken seriously. They are accused of incitement, of collaborating with the enemy. Others take the trouble to answer them.

Whereas Shefer is totally dismissed. He is an anecdote. He is off his rocker, a sad sack, the village idiot, a joke.

Is such a deception possible? Could the Israel Defense Forces and the government be lying to us, without batting an eye? Of course not. They love us. They are watching over us. Right?

I haven’t the slightest idea or the tools to determine the truth about this claim. It is amazing that none of the media are investigating this assertion. No one wants to know.


http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.606034?v=F0496F08CC8A1CEF5D052593168ABDE6

Wouldn't be surprised if it was.
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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 9:52 pm » by The57ironman


Tjahzi wrote:
By Rogel Alpher ....what we have here is the mother of all conspiracies: The national leadership is manufacturing an imaginary reality and convincing citizens of its truth, out of tyrannical and economic motives.



Wouldn't be surprised if it was.

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...my cynicism leads me to believe that as well... :mrcool:



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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 10:06 pm » by Toxic32


I seen this in a report recently. The success rate isn't that good and five percent sounds about right. It's a very expensive home grown system which they probberly want to export it as major step forward charging millions for it. So given that they always say "battle proven" in the adds which they use to sell their weapons they are hardly going to own up to a failed system are they. When you measure the cost of intercepting one of these home made cheap Hamas missiles which cost around $1000 to produce and the cost of a one of the iron dome missiles and systems to support them which costs millions to but.

Israel has so far purchased nine Iron Dome batteries from the manufacturer Rafael — and plans on buying several more. Each Iron Dome missile reportedly costs somewhere between $40,000 and $100,000, compared to less than a $1,000 apiece for the militants’ Qassam rockets.

The United States has contributed more than $1 billion to Iron Dome’s development in exchange for access to the technology.
Looks like the US has had it's pants pulled down again


http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/25/israels-iron-dome-is-more-like-an-iron-sieve/
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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 10:13 pm » by Tjahzi


Something that always bothered me about that dome.

Why uses missiles if you've got friggin

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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 10:28 pm » by Toxic32


Not only that what about the Phalanx. This fucker can shoot mortars out of the sky, so missiles would be no problem....This is when you know we are being shafted. This is American built and state of the art...So who wants a short range mega expensive expensive missile system when this or a few of these can do a more effective job..How many bullets do you get for a $100,000?


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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 10:54 pm » by -Marduk-


Tjahzi wrote:What if Iron Dome is a bluff?

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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 11:01 pm » by Domeika


Toxic32 wrote:Not only that what about the Phalanx. This fucker can shoot mortars out of the sky, so missiles would be no problem....This is when you know we are being shafted. This is American built and state of the art...So who wants a short range mega expensive expensive missile system when this or a few of these can do a more effective job..How many bullets do you get for a $100,000?


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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 11:34 pm » by Toxic32


Yep thanks for that. I do keep up on all weapon systems of any consequence. Small arms are not my thing as they are just better looking products doing the same thing with a bigger price tag attached. It's like that rail gun..Nice idea but very vulnerable to two things. One is an EMP pulse from an air burst nuclear weapon which will fry the coils of the induction rail..Look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_motor Of course it's our friend Tesla...(what genius he was) The other is a lose of power if the engines fail on the ship that is using this weapon system. No power no weapons.
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PostFri Jul 25, 2014 11:42 pm » by pushtone


APN Legislative Round-Up: 2014.

(IRON DOME EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING)

http://peacenow.org/entry.php?id=7292#.U9LMa7lOVdh


"The right question to ask is not necessarily whether Israel needs an atom bomb, but how many bombs it needs…….."

http://nuclear-news.net/category/2-world/middle-east/israel/


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PostSat Jul 26, 2014 12:02 am » by Toxic32


WTF?? Iron dome is not a bomb?

Anyway thanks for showing how Israel is shafting the American tax payer..Out 998 missiles fired at Israel 228 or there about have been shot down...Take that with a pinch of salt..More like shot down or damaged in some way. But look at this looking up the previous links.

Mikulski noted that the bill will “strengthen Israel's Iron Dome and add $225 million to replenish the antimissile defence system, saving lives by shooting down Hamas rockets,


As you know that means you suckers are paying for all the failed missiles. Take the above calculation that means for each successful shoot down you twats in the US are paying $986,842 for each missile to be replaced and it's costing Israel fuck all? No wonder they fire four or five missiles at each in coming rocket...Well I never I'm amazed. I really am.
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