What the Gov Does Not Want You To Know About H1N1 Vaccines

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:46 am » by **Gostrider**

cryptillian
YOU SHOULD BE BAND FROM HUMANITY

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:59 am » by **Simplyput**

Hahaha. I'm loving that a discussion about psychotropics found it's way into this thread.

I'm with CornBread. As with anything in life, there has to be a balance.

Although I tend to lean closer to the anti-establishment corner in this case because the mainstream line on this subject is just too painful to endure at times.

All of the under studied contentions that preservatives like Thimerosal and the vaccines overall are safe.
All of the classic fear mongering suggestions that H1N1 may or may not "kill more people worldwide than have died of the plague and aids combined".
A "pandemic" is an epidemic that is geographically widespread. Fear-mongers are always careful to add the innuendo that millions of people could and probably will die.

Line after line of borrowed government browbeating, all of the pro-vaccine pieces read like a WHO newsletter and a Glaxo-Smith-Kline brochure got together and gave each other a filthy rim job.

I guess ultimately, anyone who is ignorant or uninformed on a subject will always be privy to just that, fear mongering. And you'll always fall prey to it, until you take the time, energy and due diligence to inform yourself. Thoroughly inform yourself. Looking past any surface info, past any 'spin', past any PR corruption, and delve into the literature. With a bit research, the fear and the edginess will subside, and the rationality will kick in.

Sawlty; I have mad respect for all medical practitioners. I believe that they are essential to public health and they always have the best intentions. Personally, my distrust is for the system that they work under. A system that does not include them in it's decision making. A system that is heavily subject to pharmaceutical canvasing and private interests.

I have also seen friends and family turn their lives around by opening their minds to the worlds of homeopathy, naturopathy, hollistic medicine, chinese medice, acupuncture, first nations practices and even positive spiritual exploration and thinking.

Don't get me wrong, depending on the ailment, in many cases, a mainstream professional is the way to go. I'm just saying, in the end, your doctors intentions may be based on ignorance or manipulated studies and will not produce optimal results.

Personally, I would rather deal with the repercussions of having made the wrong informed choice, than the repercussions of being uninformed and having the wrong choice made for me.

Here's just a few solid articles that examine how Big Pharma is profiting big time. And how the whole swine flu scare is more of the same historically corrupt, governmental 'sky is falling' propaganda....
http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=93661

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/14/Expert-Pediatrician-Exposes-Vaccine-Myths.aspx
(you may need an email addy to view this)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IgLj2If44&feature=player_embedded

http://weeksmd.com/?p=1797

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14901

http://www.naturalnews.com/027294_swine_flu_vaccines_H1N1.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14869

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15860

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6531447125053615129

And for some real 'Vaccine Safety' Awareness. Check out the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.html

It is a reporting system of adverse health events that follow the administration of vaccinations. It is available for anyone to search or download.

Keep in mind, only a small % of doctors actually report 'vaccination injuries' because they are often taught by the medical system to overlook the possibility of adverse vaccine reactions, as they are 'completely safe'.

Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:33 am » by **Grevin789**

cryptillian wrote:seroquel?

lol now you're justa' trollin'!

read my post right above your reply to mine. you just proved my point!

Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:49 am » by **Lighthouse**

@Cryptillian
A reasonable person (a person who is able to express himself in a reasonable, more or less polite way) is ALWAYS listened to, whatever his point of view. Besides, reasonable people change other peoples minds, unreasonable people just do the opposite.

But of course you know all that and you're not here to change anybodies mind, or even to share anything whatsoever, you are here to take out your anger at others,
fair enough, that's your choice, and it's probably better for everyone you do it here rather than on the street.

But, at some point one just has to add people like you, dear Cryptillian to one's foe list,
it's just a matter of common sense,

try it yourself, it's such a relaxing exercise :sunny:

Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:43 pm » by **Acerlghp**

ever heard of the 1976 swine flu scare

Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:10 pm » by **Cryptillian**

grevin789 wrote:
cryptillian wrote:seroquel?

lol now you're justa' trollin'!

read my post right above your reply to mine. you just proved my point!

actually i was trying to connect.....but as usual it is easy to misinterpret intention on the web because 90% of communication is body language...so unfortunately i am often misunderstood

i asked about the seroquel because i was on it for a while and the side-affects that were described were similar to the ones i had experienced.......but i forgive you for thinking the worst :flop:

@lighthouse....foe me fag i don't give a flying fuck (it was almost an alliteration)........you still have to be exposed to my bullshit rhetoric when someone quotes me.....so suck on that

if you want a civil debate where everyone gets a turn and there is no inflammatory remarks or cursing....than fuck off and join toastmasters....or start a debate about the inherent softness of marshmallows.........

the topics we discuss here are by their very nature inflammatory and leave most humans prone to emotive responses......

if you want to wield your enhanced sense of self-control like a weapon...and try to make me feel inadequate because i lack these attributes...than you are no better than me....the only difference is that i will not foe you...because i actually want to hear what you might have to say..........thank you lighthouse :sunny:

Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:20 pm » by **Cryptillian**

gostrider wrote::shooting: cryptillian
YOU SHOULD BE BAND FROM HUMANITY

if you are going to insult me and shoot me to death (which is fucking ironic because it was my deathwish on the idiots that pissed you off in the first place)

at least spell banned properly

btw....i agree with you i should be BANNED from humanity. (but who wants the job of doing it.....you.........you.....what about you over there hiding behind his keyboard (ya i see you)

i love how the original intent of my original post is lost...and the attention has fixated on the one line in the post that was shocking........fucking predictable

so predictable in fact, that this thread is still on the front page.

so thank you (ye who do my bidding...and don't even realize it)

all i wanted was the lies about H1N1 to be discussed.....and the medical community to stop getting blamed every time nature decided that she wants to unleash a virus on us :flop:

Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:10 pm » by **Simplyput**

SawltyCrypt;

simplyput wrote:Sawlty; I have mad respect for all medical practitioners. I believe that they are essential to public health and they always have the best intentions. Personally, my distrust is for the system that they work under. A system that does not include them in it's decision making. A system that is heavily subject to pharmaceutical canvasing and private interests.

I have also seen friends and family turn their lives around by opening their minds to the worlds of homeopathy, naturopathy, hollistic medicine, chinese medice, acupuncture, first nations practices and even positive spiritual exploration and thinking.

Don't get me wrong, depending on the ailment, in many cases, a mainstream professional is the way to go. I'm just saying, in the end, your doctors intentions may be based on ignorance or manipulated studies and will not produce optimal results.

Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:27 pm » by **Cryptillian**

simplyput wrote:SawltyCrypt;

simplyput wrote:Sawlty; I have mad respect for all medical practitioners. I believe that they are essential to public health and they always have the best intentions. Personally, my distrust is for the system that they work under. A system that does not include them in it's decision making. A system that is heavily subject to pharmaceutical canvasing and private interests.

I have also seen friends and family turn their lives around by opening their minds to the worlds of homeopathy, naturopathy, hollistic medicine, chinese medice, acupuncture, first nations practices and even positive spiritual exploration and thinking.

Don't get me wrong, depending on the ailment, in many cases, a mainstream professional is the way to go. I'm just saying, in the end, your doctors intentions may be based on ignorance or manipulated studies and will not produce optimal results.

i agree that when a manufacturer calls you and tells you that you have to buy their product...or else.....rampant capitalism has taken effect.

i agree that our immune system is a wonderful thing and most of the time it is best to let it fix our ailments unaided (except through vitamins and minerals)

i agree that big Pharma is sometimes irresponsible and greedy

i also agree that alternative medicine has much to offer and sometimes is the only option

i agree that western medicine has (in the past) driven an artificial rift between themselves and the "alternative" medical establishment

i think that now and in the future there will be a further melding of the two camps into one all encompassing school of thought

if someone is healthy they might be better served to avoid the vaccine

but who here is qualified to make that diagnosis?

giving unqualified medical advice is extremely harmful and reckless.....and that was the entire premise of my original post....(that and the fact that if you cant trust your doctor you are in for a long and paranoid existence)

this is not an inconsequential frivolous discussion about the possibilities of reptilian domination.....this is a real issue with real people really dying.....and i would hate to have someone's inadvertent and ignorant comment or post be responsible for the death of an innocent (if not gullible and vulnerable) person.

sometimes i may sound like the devil....but i am really not.

if i didn't care about you i wouldn't bother to laboriously type out all this shit...trust me i could just as easily do something else.
:flop:

Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:36 am » by **Acerlghp**

flu vaccines are scams