what the strong ? jesus or satan ?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:18 pm » by **Fatdogmendoza**

noentry wrote:
fatdogmendoza wrote:
noentry wrote:As we are on numbers if you pick up your standard British passport ,if you count the pages and then add the numbers on the pages together you get 666(I found it by accident and it freaked me out ,
Jesus would kick Satan's unclean ass all over place

Just to stir the pot a little. Do the main religions particularly christianity hold back our quest for knowledge and in certain examples prohibit it, Whwereas the darkside i.e satan encourange huwman kind to question and to seek all sorts of knowledge even if it is supposedly prohibited.. The question isnt who is the stronger, jesus or satan but who is the most enlightened... By the way Im not religous and I am only debating..

In my travels across the net I found a book of Satan and this is what it says about the fallen angel

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Satanists, or Luciferians, believe that Satan is the power behind the processes of nature. What is natural is acceptable. Sin is only what is unpleasant. Unlike the Christian God — stern and moralistic, repressive and chastening — Satan is the leader of a liberated people who are free and actually encouraged to indulge in the good things of life, including uninhibited sexual

Jesus I know more about .and if I am not mistaken imo the most enlightened anyone can be is when they have love in their heart

Is'nt love blind :flop:

Science proves that love is blind

Do our critical facilities vanish?
Scientists have shown that there is a degree of truth in the old adage that love is blind.

They have found that feelings of love lead to a suppression of activity in the areas of the brain controlling critical thought.

It seems that once we get close to a person, the brain decides the need to assess their character and personality is reduced.

The study, by University College London, is published in NeuroImage.

The researchers found that both romantic love and maternal love produce the same effect on the brain.

They suppress neural activity associated with critical social assessment of other people and negative emotions.

The UCL team scanned the brains of 20 young mothers while they viewed pictures of their own children, children they were acquainted with, and adult friends.

The team found that the patterns of brain activity were very similar to those identified in an earlier study looking at the effects of romantic love.

Euphoria

Both studies recorded increased activity in parts of the brain's "reward system".

When these areas are stimulated - as they can be by food and drink, or even monetary gain - they produce feelings of euphoria.

But perhaps more surprisingly, both studies also showed reduced levels of activity in the systems necessary for making negative judgements.

Similar findings have been found in animal studies.

Lead researcher Dr Andreas Bartels said it was crucial that both romantic and maternal love were viewed by the brain in a highly positive way - because both were crucial to the perpetuation of the species.

He said: "Our research enables us to conclude that human attachment employs a push-pull mechanism that overcomes social distance by deactivating networks used for critical social assessment and negative emotions, while it bonds individuals through the involvement of the reward circuitry explaining the power of love to motivate and exhilarate."

The research did highlight one difference in the brain's response to romantic and maternal love.

Only romantic love triggered heightened activity in the hypothalamus - which controls feelings of arousal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3804545.stm

Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:31 pm » by **Noentry**

yes love is blind and you are right ,so where is the enlightenment ? :headscratch:

1. Love

How can one even begin to define love without thinking of your life and all of those people that have loved you and you have loved. Without decrediting the word, we must first think of the emotion. Love is not a thought, a memory or some random token of affection. Love is that instinct, that fire, that deeply fuled feeling that comes out of every pore of our body, every gaze into someones eyes, every smile upon our face and the feel of someones kiss. It's that ever so powerful overwhelming feeling that takes you and gives you hope, joy and an enormous amount of energy that you have never experienced before. It takes you without warning and even when you think you can't, there it is, you have let it in and don't recall opening the door to it. Love is blind, so blinding that you don't see or feel anything other than it. How elated you feel when you encounter it, love, falling in love. People misuse it so many times and misinterpret it for lust, like, loneliness but you can't deny it when it does take over your heart, your soul and your mind.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... is%20blind

Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:03 pm » by **Fatdogmendoza**

noentry wrote:yes love is blind and you are right ,so where is the enlightenment ?

1. Love

How can one even begin to define love without thinking of your life and all of those people that have loved you and you have loved. Without decrediting the word, we must first think of the emotion. Love is not a thought, a memory or some random token of affection. Love is that instinct, that fire, that deeply fuled feeling that comes out of every pore of our body, every gaze into someones eyes, every smile upon our face and the feel of someones kiss. It's that ever so powerful overwhelming feeling that takes you and gives you hope, joy and an enormous amount of energy that you have never experienced before. It takes you without warning and even when you think you can't, there it is, you have let it in and don't recall opening the door to it. Love is blind, so blinding that you don't see or feel anything other than it. How elated you feel when you encounter it, love, falling in love. People misuse it so many times and misinterpret it for lust, like, loneliness but you can't deny it when it does take over your heart, your soul and your mind.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... is%20blind

Yes where is the enlightenment, I agree, I was just commenting on your post that said in you opinon the most enlightened are the ones who have love in their hearts. Love is wonderful , love is important I have a family but I definitely would not consider myself to be enlightened, I am not informed or knowledgeable enough to be in that position yet although I do hope maybe one day I may be, or maybe not. :flop:

Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:20 pm » by **Noentry**

fatdogmendoza wrote:
noentry wrote:yes love is blind and you are right ,so where is the enlightenment ?

1. Love

How can one even begin to define love without thinking of your life and all of those people that have loved you and you have loved. Without decrediting the word, we must first think of the emotion. Love is not a thought, a memory or some random token of affection. Love is that instinct, that fire, that deeply fuled feeling that comes out of every pore of our body, every gaze into someones eyes, every smile upon our face and the feel of someones kiss. It's that ever so powerful overwhelming feeling that takes you and gives you hope, joy and an enormous amount of energy that you have never experienced before. It takes you without warning and even when you think you can't, there it is, you have let it in and don't recall opening the door to it. Love is blind, so blinding that you don't see or feel anything other than it. How elated you feel when you encounter it, love, falling in love. People misuse it so many times and misinterpret it for lust, like, loneliness but you can't deny it when it does take over your heart, your soul and your mind.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... is%20blind

Yes where is the enlightenment, I agree, I was just commenting on your post that said in you opinon the most enlightened are the ones who have love in their hearts. Love is wonderful , love is important I have a family but I definitely would not consider myself to be enlightened, I am not informed or knowledgeable enough to be in that position yet although I do hope maybe one day I may be, or maybe not.

yeah I set myself up for the fall.this is not easy one square up .
What does love do for enlightenment.
Hard question to answer.
:flop:

Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:31 pm » by **Fatdogmendoza**

1. Love

How can one even begin to define love without thinking of your life and all of those people that have loved you and you have loved. Without decrediting the word, we must first think of the emotion. Love is not a thought, a memory or some random token of affection. Love is that instinct, that fire, that deeply fuled feeling that comes out of every pore of our body, every gaze into someones eyes, every smile upon our face and the feel of someones kiss. It's that ever so powerful overwhelming feeling that takes you and gives you hope, joy and an enormous amount of energy that you have never experienced before. It takes you without warning and even when you think you can't, there it is, you have let it in and don't recall opening the door to it. Love is blind, so blinding that you don't see or feel anything other than it. How elated you feel when you encounter it, love, falling in love. People misuse it so many times and misinterpret it for lust, like, loneliness but you can't deny it when it does take over your heart, your soul and your mind.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... is%20blind[/quote]

:flop:

Yes where is the enlightenment, I agree, I was just commenting on your post that said in you opinon the most enlightened are the ones who have love in their hearts. Love is wonderful , love is important I have a family but I definitely would not consider myself to be enlightened, I am not informed or knowledgeable enough to be in that position yet although I do hope maybe one day I may be, or maybe not. :flop:

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yeah I set myself up for the fall.this is not easy one square up .
What does love do for enlightenment.
Hard question to answer.
:flop:

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I dont think you have set yourself up for a fall m8 I think you are right it is a hard one and we all have opinions Im just glad that you are willing to take part :flop:

Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:42 pm » by **Noentry**

fatdogmendoza wrote:
1. Love

How can one even begin to define love without thinking of your life and all of those people that have loved you and you have loved. Without decrediting the word, we must first think of the emotion. Love is not a thought, a memory or some random token of affection. Love is that instinct, that fire, that deeply fuled feeling that comes out of every pore of our body, every gaze into someones eyes, every smile upon our face and the feel of someones kiss. It's that ever so powerful overwhelming feeling that takes you and gives you hope, joy and an enormous amount of energy that you have never experienced before. It takes you without warning and even when you think you can't, there it is, you have let it in and don't recall opening the door to it. Love is blind, so blinding that you don't see or feel anything other than it. How elated you feel when you encounter it, love, falling in love. People misuse it so many times and misinterpret it for lust, like, loneliness but you can't deny it when it does take over your heart, your soul and your mind.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... is%20blind

Yes where is the enlightenment, I agree, I was just commenting on your post that said in you opinon the most enlightened are the ones who have love in their hearts. Love is wonderful , love is important I have a family but I definitely would not consider myself to be enlightened, I am not informed or knowledgeable enough to be in that position yet although I do hope maybe one day I may be, or maybe not. :flop:

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yeah I set myself up for the fall.this is not easy one square up .
What does love do for enlightenment.
Hard question to answer.
:flop:

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I dont think you have set yourself up for a fall m8 I think you are right it is a hard one and we all have opinions Im just glad that you are willing to take part :flop:

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post that ask fundamental questions I find irresistible .
good thinking post. :flop:

maybe it is not being with love that truly blinds you .
or maybe it is universal love that is enlightening. Unconditional love for creation (no I am still blind) .
I am gonna have to think about this one :help:

Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:58 pm » by **Fatdogmendoza**

noentry wrote:
fatdogmendoza wrote:
1. Love

How can one even begin to define love without thinking of your life and all of those people that have loved you and you have loved. Without decrediting the word, we must first think of the emotion. Love is not a thought, a memory or some random token of affection. Love is that instinct, that fire, that deeply fuled feeling that comes out of every pore of our body, every gaze into someones eyes, every smile upon our face and the feel of someones kiss. It's that ever so powerful overwhelming feeling that takes you and gives you hope, joy and an enormous amount of energy that you have never experienced before. It takes you without warning and even when you think you can't, there it is, you have let it in and don't recall opening the door to it. Love is blind, so blinding that you don't see or feel anything other than it. How elated you feel when you encounter it, love, falling in love. People misuse it so many times and misinterpret it for lust, like, loneliness but you can't deny it when it does take over your heart, your soul and your mind.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... is%20blind

Yes where is the enlightenment, I agree, I was just commenting on your post that said in you opinon the most enlightened are the ones who have love in their hearts. Love is wonderful , love is important I have a family but I definitely would not consider myself to be enlightened, I am not informed or knowledgeable enough to be in that position yet although I do hope maybe one day I may be, or maybe not.

yeah I set myself up for the fall.this is not easy one square up .
What does love do for enlightenment.
Hard question to answer.
:flop:

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I dont think you have set yourself up for a fall m8 I think you are right it is a hard one and we all have opinions Im just glad that you are willing to take part :flop:

[/quote]

post that ask fundamental questions I find irresistible .
good thinking post. :flop:

maybe it is not being with love that truly blinds you .
or maybe it is universal love that is enlightening. Unconditional love for creation (no I am still blind) .
I am gonna have to think about this one :help:

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Though Lucifer and Satan are one and the same, Lucifer is portrayed as a god of light, a god of knowledge, and a god of magic. Luciferian worshipers seek to become gods, and this is attained by living a life of goodness, by seeking after knowledge, by practicing magic, and by opening oneself to the cosmic mind of Lucifer in order to become one with that mind.
FROM ENLIGHTENMENT WITHOUT GOD BY Swami Rama
PHILOSOPHY, NOT RELIGION

The Upanishadic literature is not a religious scripture and is free from dogma and doctrines. It is not a part of any religion but is a philosophy for all times and for all. This philosophy does not oppose any school of thought, religion, or interpretation of the scriptures, but its methods for explaining its concepts are unique. The Upanishads should not be confused with the religious books of the East; there is a vast difference between the philosophy of the Upanishads and the preachings of any of the religious scriptures of the world. In religion and religious books, there is little practicality and much theory. One is not supposed to interpret religious sayings, for there is always the possibility of distortion. For this reason, their explanation is delegated to a few teachers and preachers who are considered to be the custodians and authorities on these scriptures. Common people do not have the opportunity to study the scriptures in depth, but instead must rely on the interpretations of such preachers who may show no signs of enlightenment and yet have influence over the conscience of the masses. Whether these clerics actually know and practice religious truths or not is never questioned, and those who do question are considered to be atheists and heretics. Intellectual bankruptcy such as this leads the masses to blind faith and causes many wars and divisions in the human race. For the younger generation today, however, empty religious preachings are not fulfilling, for the modern mind likes to use reason and logic before it accepts anything as truth.

With the development of science and technology, there has arisen a provocative mind that questions the existing religions and their role in society. The modern mind has started questioning, but the search for truth still remains obscured because scientific explorations are directed externally and not toward the inner levels of life. Science and technology are materially oriented, but a human being is not matter or energy alone. Most human resources are currently being directed to matter, mind, and energy, but little effort is being made toward the expansion and exploration of human consciousness. Modern psychologists are scratching the surface of mental life in order to eliminate superficial human problems in the external world, but the vital questions of life are not yet resolved, for they are beyond the grasp of materially-oriented thinking.

The Upanishads prepare, inspire, and lead the student to know and realize the Ultimate Truth. First of all, the philosophy of the Upanishads frees one to cast away his intellectual slavery to blind faith, superstitions, sectarian beliefs, and dogmas. Then it helps one to expand his individual consciousness to Universal Consciousness; thus one's personality is transformed, and one becomes a universal being. An individual is essentially Brahman, or identical to Universal Consciousness, and direct realization of that truth is called enlightenment. Current religious preachings, on the other hand, are enveloped in a thick layer of dust, and they need a complete shakeup. Religion needs modification to suit the needs of modern man. There seem to be two options for humanity: either it stops listening to the preachings, starts seeking the truth, and rejoices in the broader awareness of truthful living; or it continues to follow religious dogma, fails to attain the next step of civilization, and remains in ignorance and suffering. Upon careful analysis of the living and thinking structure of modern human society, anyone can see that the process of human evolution is in a state of stagnation. All current research is directed to the external world; thus the human goal has become materially oriented and superficial. Human beings today have nothing better to live for than acquiring many comforts. These may be necessities and means, but because attaining them lacks a goal or aim, they create a hollow and empty philosophy that brings only strain and stress.

The preachings of religion make a person dependent on priests, temples, idols, blind faith, and dogma, and dependence is a habit of the lower mind. Such crutches may be useful at a certain stage for some people, but they do not lead one to Ultimate Truth. A dependent mind is not free, and without freedom, enlightenment is impossible. Religious dogmas are full of beliefs and myths that do not satisfy the human intellect and that bind believers to a narrow view of life and human potential. Such preachings instill more fear than love in the hearts of the masses. Religion either promises salvation or threatens the tortures of hell, but it does not provide sound solutions to the hellish problems and situations that plague human beings here and now. Nor does it satisfactorily explain life before birth or after death. One of the main themes of Upanishadic philosophy, however, is to attain a state of fearlessness, cheerfulness, and self-confidence. In addition, the Upanishads lead the student to know life in its totality. Knowledge of life before birth, knowledge of now, and knowledge of life hereafter can be realized through the methods given in the Upanishads. The Upanishads provide systematic methods for self-training, self-transformation, and self-enlightenment. They lead aspirants "from the unreal to the Real, from darkness to Light, and from mortality to Immortality."

The founders of religion were selfless and sincere—great seers, sages, and spiritual leaders. But as religions grew, the teachings of the founders were lost, and only the preachings of their selfish followers remained. Because of this, the great religion of the East was reduced to the narrow faith and beliefs of Hinduism, Brahmanism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Practical Christianity also disappeared forever, and there remained only churchianity. History shows that religionists do not actually encourage one to follow in the footsteps of the founder of their religion by practicing his teachings, but, rather, they instruct their followers to worship the image or the name of the founder of the religion through priests. Many religious leaders who claim to know God are more miserable than those they attempt to lead; they suffer from trite egoism, jealousy, and selfishness. The light of truth cannot shine through such barriers. Thus, the blind are leading the blind. The philosophy of the Upanishads is not bound by a single founder or religion, however, and it is as applicable today as it was thousands of years ago, and it will be so for as long as humanity exists.

Religious dogma sets forth rigid commandments presented in terms of good and bad, black and white, with no explanations to support them. In the long run, these create serious overreactions and overcompensations in the human mind. All the books from the different religions repeat set laws of conduct in the same way, yet each of these religions claims that it is superior to all the others. Religious beliefs may offer solace to lower, primitive, less educated, and uncultivated minds, but they have nothing to offer those who already know what to do and what not to do, and who are seeking logical solutions to life's questions and guidance in learning how to be. In today's so-called civilized I society, the moral laws preached by the leaders and preachers seem to be incomplete. Such teachings and preachings are, therefore, misleading and are a mere waste of time and energy. As long as the preachers, police, and army have to guard the morality of human beings, this cannot be considered to be a civilized society. The moral custodians of today's world are actually atomic weapons, not the laws given in the religious books of the world. Thus, material forces are guiding the destiny of human life. Human beings have lost their center of equilibrium and live without any sense of equality, love, and mutual understanding. Religions do not teach unity but create divisions in human society. The Upanishads do not impose commandments, but, rather, offer practical guidelines and methods for self-discipline and self-unfoldment. The steps for inner growth contained in the Upanishads can be incorporated into one's individual lifestyle and can help one examine the accomplishments of one's spiritual practice (sadhana).

Religions can be divided into two groups. One group follows the prophets but does not believe in inner experience. These religions are actually cults and are full of rituals, fear, guilt, and fanaticism. The other group of religions has a vast spiritual literature, but the followers are exploited by priests who involve them in rituals without explaining their purpose or establishing their validity. Therefore, both types of religion have been exploiting humanity and, thus, crippling human efforts to evolve and attain the next step of civilization in which people will learn to live with others in mutual understanding and love. The vast majority of the human population practices religious rituals in some way or other, but no ritual exists that can eliminate the ignorance that causes pain and misery.

Religions have two great weapons to conquer the hearts of their followers: faith and grace. The way faith is described in religious scriptures is not actually faith at all, but is blind belief based on ignorance and rigidity of tradition. Tradition and truth are entirely different. One is mingled with customs, systems, cultures, habits, thoughts, feelings, and desires, and the latter is a search for the Ultimate Reality. For attaining truth, everything the aspirant has, including thoughts, deeds, and speech, becomes a means for attaining truth; while in tradition, all means are used for the sake of convenience, pleasure, and gratification. Religionists and their faithful followers are afraid to analyze the very nature of their faith. Thus, one is lost in a morass of religious fanaticism. Faith that does not recognize the faculty of reasoning and that has not been filtered by reasoning is based on blind beliefs that remain unexamined. They thus unnecessarily create doubts, and when doubts are not resolved, such faith disappears. Blind faith, being empty and devoid of any real reason or fact, is often found wanting when one has a problem and expects to find a strong basis that will support and carry him through difficult times. Then one finds, instead, nothing to hold on to or anchor oneself to. Because of this weakness in religious faith, religious dogma says that faith is a gift from God, and that if one questions it, then it might vanish and be lost. True faith is supported by pure reason, which is attained through thoughtful analysis of life. Following the extended practice of sadhana and purification, a few fortunate seekers realize and know the nature of the world as it is and also experience the all-pervading truth that enlightens the' dark chamber of the aspirant's heart.

The Upanishads say that to rise above and reach a state beyond and to know the real nature of the transitory world, one must cultivate logic and pure reason and make sincere efforts with the help of deep contemplation. They declare, "Only that which is good and auspicious in Upanishadic literature should be revered and brought into practice, and the rest should be left behind for further introspection."

In religions, grace is considered to be a gift bestowed on the seeker, either as a reward for following the commandments or by mere whim. Thus, the bestowing of blessings serves as a bribe to make one conform, and it implies that the seeker is helpless to succeed by his own effort. There is often little sense of individual mastery but rather a reliance on the favors of fate or the judgments of the preachers. Fear and insecurity are the logical results.

Today religion has degenerated so much that it has become totally materialistic. No matter how good a heart one has, if one is not on the list of followers and supporters of the church, then one's faith does not have any value in the eyes of religionists. Religious leaders and preachers who claim to be custodians of faith and grace sell faith to blind followers for wealth and favors, and, thus, religious materialism takes the place of spiritual sincerity.

Various schools of theology argue over the semantics and meaning of the verses and parables of religious scriptures and never reach any shared interpretation. In order to confront the question of life, one must remain unaffected by religious dogma, doctrines, and superstition, and one must make use of one's finest instrument, the intellect. The Upanishads do not encourage students to depend on the sayings of the scriptures; rather they inspire them to be self-reliant and discriminating. Religious dogma encourages people to follow the canons of a particular sectarian belief that is limited to a specific group. Thus, instead of expanding universal brotherhood, it further divides humanity and pollutes human feelings with biases and prejudice. Upanishadic philosophy is the expression of supreme knowledge directly experienced by great sages and is not confined to caste, color, society, or nation.

Today the world lives under the law of fear, trembling with doubts and uncertainty. No prophet of the law of love is to be found, and one finds no leaders who give object lessons, sympathy, and good will, and who identify with the true happiness of individuals and nations and the highest good of mankind. Many religious leaders exist, but it is amazing to note how tired and confused they are. "Rise, awake, and gain knowledge"—this Upanishad declares that one should not act like a gigantic inert person who is dumb and desolate, who knows not the meaning of life and the universe. All human beings have the essential potentialities to understand and
direct their life streams toward the ocean of bliss. The message of Upanishadic philosophy extends good will to the whole of humanity, saying, "Let all of mankind be happy; let all of humanity attain physical, mental, and spiritual health; let all receive and enjoy auspiciousness; let no one experience pain and misery here and hereafter."

Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:19 pm » by **Noentry**

that is very good ,I am gonna read it again.
Religious doctrine is blind ,so when you follow ,it is the blind leading the blind .
So we must unlearn what we have learned to find enlightenment.
:flop:

Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:05 pm » by **Fatdogmendoza**

Religous doctrine would like to keep us in the dark, particularly the big three, By being in the dark we can either stay there or search for the light. The old ways/religions were correct in their amazement and worship of nature because nature fully deserves it. Nature is deemed to be female and the 3 big religions have tried for millenia to undermine the feminine. I have no facts on what enlightenment is , only my opinion. So I need to work at embracing the search. I am very sure it doesnt sit at the core of organised religion tho