WHO ARE ABRAHAM'S CHILDREN?

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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 8:09 pm » by Savwafair2012


Christian evangelicals in America overwhelmingly supported creation of the Jewish state of Israel in the 20th century. Today, they remain its most fervent supporters. This is because the Bible tells us to bless the “seed of Abraham,” and evangelicals have believed this means his genetic descendants. Jews said they possess a divine land grant to own and occupy Palestine because God promised Abraham, “Unto thy seed will I give this land.” (Genesis 12:7) And evangelicals agree.

But the apostle Paul, in Galatians 3, does not agree that all racial Jews are blessed by God. He says the “seed of Abraham” is singular, not plural. It refers only to Jesus Christ! It does not include Abraham’s wicked posterity. Abraham was promised heirs who would become as numerous “as the sands of the sea and the stars of heaven.” But Paul says those heirs aren’t racial heirs but spiritual ones who belong to Christ. They are righteous Jews and Gentiles throughout the ages who trust and obey God like the patriarchs did.

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say ‘and to seeds’ as referring to many but rather to one, ‘And to your seed,’ that is, Christ …And if you belong to Christ then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:16, 29)

Nowhere does the Bible say the promises of God—given individually to the righteous patriarchs—unconditionally apply to unrighteous Jews, including most of the 7 million in Israel today. God in fact refuses to extend His covenant to wicked Jews because of a simple fact: Unrepentant sinners of any race have no inheritance from a holy God—on earth or in heaven. They can only expect God’s wrath.

Evangelicals misinterpret God’s blessing to Abraham and also misread His curses. God told Abraham, “I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you.” (Gen. 12:3) Most Christians mistakenly fear that to criticize evil Jewish leadership is to “curse God's chosen people.” Result: they unconditionally support Israel's most egregious injustices. But this verse applies to righteous Abraham and only to those descendants who also walk in righteousness.

Palestine: Promised to Jews?

Yes, God did promise the land of Israel to Abraham’s genetic descendants. But only obedient Jews can enjoy that inheritance. Paul says someday a Jewish remnant will repent at Christ’s return; "the Lord shall return to Zion and turn ungodliness from Jacob (Rom. 11:26) The Promised Land is their birthright. Out of the dry bones of Jewish unbelief, Christ will raise up a nation of saints (Ezekiel 37); and for the first time in at least 2,000 years, believing Jews will be divinely endorsed to occupy Palestine.

Unrepentant Jews are not blessed in this way. Christ-rejecting world Jewry today does not have God’s favoritism, blessing or protection. Paul says, “For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children." On the contrary, "It is through Isaac [through faith] that your offspring will be reckoned" ( Rom. 9:6,7). Unbelieving Jews are part of what Christ described as “the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews but lie” (Rev. 3:9).

When He was about to be crucified by such wicked Jews, Jesus told the Jewish nation they would never see Him again until they said, “Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord” (Luke 13:35). He meant it. Israel today cannot expect to see Christ’s guidance or protection in her national life.

During the 20 th century, Jewish leaders rammed an arrogant, violent return down the throats of the Arab world, inciting what has become international Arab terrorism. The Jewish state was created through terrorizing 800,000 Arabs into fleeing their ancestral lands and through massive arms shipments from Stalin. Israel “saw” victory in 1948, not by the hand of God but by the arm of the flesh. In more than two dozen of the clearest Old Testament Scriptures, God says Jews will be exiled if they disobey. They cannot reenter except in obedience. [See footnote]

God’s conditional terms of covenant could not be more clearly stated than in Deuteronomy 7:12.

Then it shall come about, because you listen to these judgments and keep and do them, that the Lord your God will keep with you His covenant and His lovingkindness which He swore to your forefathers.

God’s terms are as simple today as then: Jews, keep faith with God, and God will keep His covenant with you. Forsake obedience and lose His blessings and protections.

Will God Hear our Day of Prayer?

Interestingly, Orthodox Jews for 1,900 years agreed that God required obedience from Jews to occupy the Promised Land. Although bitter about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, they believed God righteously exiled their fathers because they had disobeyed Him. Traditional Judaism said when Israel’s messiah comes he will effect moral renewal and “turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and the hearts of the fathers to the children” (Malachi 4:6). Only a return to wholehearted obedience to “God’s law” (the Talmud) would entitle Jews to reestablish a national homeland.

But these beliefs changed at the beginning of the 20th century. Secular Zionist Jews like Theodore Herzl said obedience no longer mattered; political action could fulfill Isaiah’s visions and make possible Jewish occupation of Palestine. Today, only a small minority of ultra-Orthodox Jews, such as Neturei Karta, still teach the demand for obedience. Orthodox/secular Jews and most evangelicals agree it no longer matters. Somehow God has forgotten or waived His demands laid down so extensively and insistently in the Bible.

Yet God hasn’t changed. He said the Jews turned away from Him, but He remained the same (Malachi 3:6). Those who have changed and forgotten God's law are not only the Jews—but tens of millions of evangelicals.

As American Christians prepare to observe the National Day of Prayer on May 6, the question must be asked: "Could the church's support of an ungodly return of Jews to Israel be viewed as sin that prevents God from healing America?" Yes. Scripture says, "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me" (Psalm 66:18). The church has promoted spiritual lawlessness regarding Israel. It has blessed an emerging anti-Christ system which forbids the gospel, persecutes believers in Israel today, and lays the foundation for eventual world government ruled by Israel's false Messiah, Anti-Christ. (See, Christians in Israel: An Endangered Species)

On May 1 (preceding the National Day of Prayer) evangelicals will descend on the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. to observe "May Day: a Cry to God for Our Nation in Distress." The agenda includes an extensive list of national sins for which to repent. It does not mention one of evangelicals’ greatest sins over the past century: spurning God's clearest warnings that anti-Christ Jews must not own and occupy Palestine. Generations of evangelicals have joined largely atheist Jewish Zionists to trample God's law and, in turn, trample the indigenous Palestinians, inflaming the whole Arab world against not only America but also the gospel.

I completely support national prayer. But God may not answer the prayers of those in blatant disrespect of His will. He honors people He respects - those who do not support evil, but hunger to know His law and keep it.
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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 8:21 pm » by Mochon


Hey man, Before abrahams son with sarah was born(isaac i mean)Abraham fathered a son with her maid cause his wife couldnt get pregnant,the boy names ishmael,and muslim people come from him,and he was born little time before isaac,who the fathered jacob etc etc etc....so bassicly jews and arabs are blood cousins,or half brotheres since their begginig...weird huh?but abrahams first child was the first muslim ever

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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 8:27 pm » by Spock


mochon wrote:but abrahams first child was the first muslim ever


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 8:41 pm » by Phaeton


@Mochon:
Please base statements with referrals / links.. Documentation :rtft:
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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 8:43 pm » by sockpuppet


savwafair2012 wrote:
On May 1 (preceding the National Day of Prayer) evangelicals will descend on the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. to observe "May Day: a Cry to God for Our Nation in Distress." The agenda includes an extensive list of national sins for which to repent. It does not mention one of evangelicals’ greatest sins over the past century: spurning God's clearest warnings that anti-Christ Jews must not own and occupy Palestine. Generations of evangelicals have joined largely atheist Jewish Zionists to trample God's law and, in turn, trample the indigenous Palestinians, inflaming the whole Arab world against not only America but also the gospel.

I completely support national prayer. But God may not answer the prayers of those in blatant disrespect of His will. He honors people He respects - those who do not support evil, but hunger to know His law and keep it.


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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 8:47 pm » by Mochon


@phaeton there you go

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismael
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/p141.htm
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/20020120.htm

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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 9:03 pm » by Harbin


mochon wrote:Hey man, Before abrahams son with sarah was born(isaac i mean)Abraham fathered a son with her maid cause his wife couldnt get pregnant,the boy names ishmael,and muslim people come from him,and he was born little time before isaac,who the fathered jacob etc etc etc....so bassicly jews and arabs are blood cousins,or half brotheres since their begginig...weird huh?but abrahams first child was the first muslim ever


mochon, according to the bible story what you say is true, but Islam, did not come about until 622ad. So, you are correct to think that Ishmael was the first arab, but not the first muslim.
The first muslim was Mohammed, of Haj fame.

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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 9:06 pm » by Reclaimer


spock wrote:
mochon wrote:but abrahams first child was the first muslim ever


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!



ditto to spock....very laughable.....

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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 9:28 pm » by Boondox681


i put this in another post but it fits even better here

RELIGION..i need to make up a new derogatory remark because the ones i know just don't cut it anymore.
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PostTue Mar 23, 2010 9:47 pm » by Phaeton


@ Mochon:
Well there you go, very interesting.
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