why are we here? what is our reason for existance?

Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:38 pm » by **Allreadydead**

Why are some people assholes, why is it that they be ? Why is the earth round, why is there energy? Tell me why?

Well, that's a difficult question, why are some people assholes?

Maybe because they are born that way, or through some bad experience, developed into an asshole - there are loads around, we meet them every day and in my case, soon forget them!
Some wise old man once told me that an 'asshole' had only one function in life - to produce shit and and create a bad smell which you soon distanced yourself from and left them to be an asshole on their own! I think that's really good advice!!

The earth is round because creation made it that way - all the other planets are roundish, so that makes sense!

As for 'Energy', well, it's the 'glue' that holds everything together, without energy the planets, solar systems, universes, humans, animals etc. would not exist - imagine a world without, say, electricity, and you get the picture.

more people should ask these questions and the world would be a better place! :flop:

Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:48 pm » by **Adamflownemo**

we are here so for the ages to come others will see that
GOD loves and judges not

if your LORD and KING is JESUS CHRIST

its as easy as that

Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:54 pm » by **Harryjackson**

Jesus is No lord.

Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:49 am » by **Allreadydead**

we are here so for the ages to come others will see that
GOD loves and judges not

if your LORD and KING is JESUS CHRIST

its as easy as that

No, I'm sorry, it's not that easy, anyone who believes there is a 'higher power' who is loving, benevolent etc. is delusional and in need of treatment - How do I know this?

Well, the 'God' of which you speak is suppose to be loving and benign, a Father to his children (us, the humans) and concerned with their welfare (he/it/she created us) then explain this too me.......

A baby girl of just two months is in hospital, dying, she is completely innocent of any 'sin' or wrongdoing, her parents are committed christians, praying for her every minute, every hour of the day, because they had prayed for a child for so many years and she was like the gift of sunshine on a dark awful day, the child was so loved and wanted, it was painful to watch them, each day by her bedside, hoping for a miracle, hoping that the loving God of their faith would intervene and return her to her loving parents, boy did they pray,they prayed and the father even tried to make a pact with their 'god' - take me instead, he prayed, I will give my life for her because I love her so and she's so little and brave, she deserves life, she deserves to live, to love, to see the world and all it's wonders, - the poor dislusional man would have given anything for that little girls life, anything he could.

How did this loving, benevolent 'god' reply?

The little girl died on a bright sunny day, when other children were playing in the local park, laughing, running and having fun as all children should, she never had a kitten, or played with her friends, or blew the candles out on her birthday cake - or smiled and laughed when her loving parents played with her - all she had was a dark, cold horrible grave, alone in the darkness without even her mum or dad to give her comfort - that was their 'Gods' reply.

You see it's not that 'Easy' - her father 'died' that day, they may well have buried him next to her, his faith was gone in the stark, horrible reality of life, you see, there was no god to save her, or him, or the mother who disappeared into a bottle and roamed the streets looking for her little girl that had been taken - what these poor dislusional people had overlooked that nature is god, survival is all that matters, the weak die and the strong survive, that in the real world bad things happen to good people and really good things happen to bad people - there was no god, destiny, faith or any such fairytales - there was just nature and reality, and they are both cruel and unforgiving.

Now tell me it's that easy.

Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:41 am » by **Harryjackson**

Jesus was Mutch more than Any lord. When have you seen or heard of a lord wash his workers feet ? Jesus came to set us Free of lords and masters,but the whip and chains still have a heavy power over the simple people,as they are taught to fear and obey the lords who claim to own the lands and the laws,but are inturn only beggars of the crown of Pharoah who would trample ALL to keep a tiht Grip on its leash.

Swear NO oaths. The crown is the whore.

Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:52 am » by **Lowsix**

allreadydead wrote:
we are here so for the ages to come others will see that
GOD loves and judges not

if your LORD and KING is JESUS CHRIST

its as easy as that

No, I'm sorry, it's not that easy, anyone who believes there is a 'higher power' who is loving, benevolent etc. is delusional and in need of treatment - How do I know this?

Well, the 'God' of which you speak is suppose to be loving and benign, a Father to his children (us, the humans) and concerned with their welfare (he/it/she created us) then explain this too me.......

A baby girl of just two months is in hospital, dying, she is completely innocent of any 'sin' or wrongdoing, her parents are committed christians, praying for her every minute, every hour of the day, because they had prayed for a child for so many years and she was like the gift of sunshine on a dark awful day, the child was so loved and wanted, it was painful to watch them, each day by her bedside, hoping for a miracle, hoping that the loving God of their faith would intervene and return her to her loving parents, boy did they pray,they prayed and the father even tried to make a pact with their 'god' - take me instead, he prayed, I will give my life for her because I love her so and she's so little and brave, she deserves life, she deserves to live, to love, to see the world and all it's wonders, - the poor dislusional man would have given anything for that little girls life, anything he could.

How did this loving, benevolent 'god' reply?

The little girl died on a bright sunny day, when other children were playing in the local park, laughing, running and having fun as all children should, she never had a kitten, or played with her friends, or blew the candles out on her birthday cake - or smiled and laughed when her loving parents played with her - all she had was a dark, cold horrible grave, alone in the darkness without even her mum or dad to give her comfort - that was their 'Gods' reply.

You see it's not that 'Easy' - her father 'died' that day, they may well have buried him next to her, his faith was gone in the stark, horrible reality of life, you see, there was no god to save her, or him, or the mother who disappeared into a bottle and roamed the streets looking for her little girl that had been taken - what these poor dislusional people had overlooked that nature is god, survival is all that matters, the weak die and the strong survive, that in the real world bad things happen to good people and really good things happen to bad people - there was no god, destiny, faith or any such fairytales - there was just nature and reality, and they are both cruel and unforgiving.

Now tell me it's that easy.

Are you for real?

Is that as complex as your conception of god gets?

Sick baby dies = no God?

Seriously?
That might be the weakest argument ive ever heard here.

Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:45 am » by **Allreadydead**

Are you for real?

Is that as complex as your conception of god gets?

Sick baby dies = no God?

Seriously?
That might be the weakest argument ive ever heard here.

Actually, it's the strongest argument I've ever heard for the conception of no god - because, taking the christian faith, does it not ask it followers to have the simple faith of children and not complex as you seem to believe it should be - did not Jesus mention about harming children and allowing them to come to him? So, Jesus was all for helping and nurturing children. so must his 'Dad' - or maybe not.

there are children, in their millions, dying each year on this planet (sometimes for the want of a glass of clean water!!!) , oh, and don't forget the suffering, pain and agony, before the little angels actually 'Go to heaven' - This in the name of god?, to glorify him? To fullfill some mystic plan?

Answer me this (put yourself in a loving fathers shoes - say as God) "Would you honestly stand by and see all those innocent children die, sometimes quite horribly, and DO NOTHING?"

Yes or No. Simple isn't it - not a complex conception of God needed really.

If the answer is YES - what sort of God is this - we'd certainly could be better off on our own.

If the answer is NO - Then why the hell doesn't he do something about it! - he used to make lots of appearances in the 'good old days', destroying whole cities, turning women to salt, asking people to sacrifice their sons etc. he wasn't slow in coming forward then and interfering in man's affairs - he's been really quiet lately, just when we need him the most.

if this god was benevolent, loving, benign and cherished his children, like any real father would, he may put in a few more appearances and actually do some good in the world he created?

Why doesn't he?

Please don't answer that he 'moves in mysterious ways', or all will be known in the end, he gave humans free-will, etc. because that's really unacceptable - that's like the old chesnut, well, he changes things through the actions of people and guides the world through them.....

If that's his plan, it has gone seriously off the ralls - just in recent times we've had two wars which killed more people, than all the previous wars achieved before, ever, in history. In one of them we used atomic weapons on civilians, men, women and children (prehaps as much loved as the one in the story above) so, using your argument, if there was a god:
INCINERATED CHILDREN = THERE IS A GOD! because he's all knowing and has a hand in everything........

Just answer this one last question:

If god is infinate, all-knowing, all powerfull, all ways present (in the begining and in the end of time) why the hell doesn't he do something about this crazy, F'#*$$=d up planet and the murdering, greedy dreadful creatures that inhabit it? (thats us humans by the way).

Well, there's two answers to that question,(if I may offer my opinion before you reply)

1. He doesn't do anything because he's given up on his children, or his too busy to notice the starvation, genocide, wars etc taking place - pretty odd for someone that is all knowing -
or he really doesn't give a shit about his supreme creation and is leaving it to it's own fate.

2. He doesn't actually exist.

Frankly, I know which one appears to be the answer, but, hey, their your questions.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:52 am » by **Eliakim**

The meaning of life is to find out the meaning of life.

Creation evolves and evolution creates.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:00 am » by **I333i**

eliakim wrote:The meaning of life is to find out the meaning of life.

Creation evolves and evolution creates.

really?

Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:56 pm » by **Wolfbane7272**

allreadydead wrote:
Are you for real?

Is that as complex as your conception of god gets?

Sick baby dies = no God?

Seriously?
That might be the weakest argument ive ever heard here.

Actually, it's the strongest argument I've ever heard for the conception of no god - because, taking the christian faith, does it not ask it followers to have the simple faith of children and not complex as you seem to believe it should be - did not Jesus mention about harming children and allowing them to come to him? So, Jesus was all for helping and nurturing children. so must his 'Dad' - or maybe not.

there are children, in their millions, dying each year on this planet (sometimes for the want of a glass of clean water!!!) , oh, and don't forget the suffering, pain and agony, before the little angels actually 'Go to heaven' - This in the name of god?, to glorify him? To fullfill some mystic plan?

Answer me this (put yourself in a loving fathers shoes - say as God) "Would you honestly stand by and see all those innocent children die, sometimes quite horribly, and DO NOTHING?"

Yes or No. Simple isn't it - not a complex conception of God needed really.

If the answer is YES - what sort of God is this - we'd certainly could be better off on our own.

If the answer is NO - Then why the hell doesn't he do something about it! - he used to make lots of appearances in the 'good old days', destroying whole cities, turning women to salt, asking people to sacrifice their sons etc. he wasn't slow in coming forward then and interfering in man's affairs - he's been really quiet lately, just when we need him the most.

if this god was benevolent, loving, benign and cherished his children, like any real father would, he may put in a few more appearances and actually do some good in the world he created?

Why doesn't he?

Please don't answer that he 'moves in mysterious ways', or all will be known in the end, he gave humans free-will, etc. because that's really unacceptable - that's like the old chesnut, well, he changes things through the actions of people and guides the world through them.....

If that's his plan, it has gone seriously off the ralls - just in recent times we've had two wars which killed more people, than all the previous wars achieved before, ever, in history. In one of them we used atomic weapons on civilians, men, women and children (prehaps as much loved as the one in the story above) so, using your argument, if there was a god:
INCINERATED CHILDREN = THERE IS A GOD! because he's all knowing and has a hand in everything........

Just answer this one last question:

If god is infinate, all-knowing, all powerfull, all ways present (in the begining and in the end of time) why the hell doesn't he do something about this crazy, F'#*$$=d up planet and the murdering, greedy dreadful creatures that inhabit it? (thats us humans by the way).

Well, there's two answers to that question,(if I may offer my opinion before you reply)

1. He doesn't do anything because he's given up on his children, or his too busy to notice the starvation, genocide, wars etc taking place - pretty odd for someone that is all knowing -
or he really doesn't give a shit about his supreme creation and is leaving it to it's own fate.

2. He doesn't actually exist.

Frankly, I know which one appears to be the answer, but, hey, their your questions.

man created wars ,greed,guns,power,if anyone is to blame its us . we sink trillions of dollars yearly into wars and operations and R&D for bigger,badder,smarter weapons and technology.and yes the children in undeveloped go hungry and dont have clean water ,even some of our own children in the west go without as well .is it God's fault that man is a arrogant ,power hungry fool? no .its the reason we have free will to make choices ,and some are made for us because of the fact that a certain select control all the wealth and power ,we leave it up to their conscience not ours .that is the real answer and i think you know exactly what i am saying and perhaps just want to antagonize the christians once again ..as for the bible it was created by man as a INTERPRETATION of the word of God,

lol it's my conclusion we made this fucked up planet the way it is ,and we have to deal with it.

cheers bud