Why is the Muslim world so easily offended?

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PostSun Sep 23, 2012 11:54 am » by Mozi!!a


Iwanci wrote:Why is it that religious people are all the 'same' and all peaceful until something / someone disagrees with their religion?

Religion (imo) is another great discriminator. It is a tool used to control people (in god and bad) and an excuse used to encite whatever attrocity is deemed appropriate in that context.

I am NOT singling out Muslims, NO! I am putting ALL religions into the same category here. They serve a purpose but have a nasty by-product called 'hatred'. Love only those we tell you to love, or love everyone until we tell you it is ok to hate them.

I am also not saying that 'belief' is bad, on the contrary, the human species has come this far and will continue to progress due to its ability to believe and hope. Belief is a great human attribute. Religion is the commoditisation of the belief system, it is a business and a weapon of control.

Believe whatever you like, but do not allow your beliefs to be contained within the parameters of religious dogma.


That is my opinion.



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PostSun Sep 23, 2012 12:44 pm » by Nihilgeist


Phaeton wrote:
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Either its becuase I havent had enough sleep, or because you have made your point so very diffuse - I find it very hard to identify your central point[s] in this piece of txt.



Bear with me, as I'm slightly inebriated as I type this. I believe my main point was made at the beginning and end, though you've countered these with your opinions so to each his own. I will say though that just because Atheists feel we're descended from animals does not dictate we act like animals. That is a generalization to assume all atheists follow such logic.


Phaeton wrote:I didnt mean Atheism is some sort of active evil cult, I meant Atheism is a step towards further loss of the safeguards that are present in the Abrahamic faiths. Thats not to say that the extremist elements do not do exactly thesame [lose ethics and morals], it is to say that if everybody accepts the Atheist school of thought, the concepts best described as 'do bad, and bad things will come to you in the afterlife' will be adhered to by nobody. Life will be regarded as a single instance, a game, a sort of virtual reality - where 'get what you can get' will be the main goal. No repercussions. This is my opinion.


Fair enough. I just don't believe that people have to believe there are consequences in the afterlife to be good. If anything, we have learned that this thought process has been with us throughout human history, and hasn't dissuaded people from doing bad. If anything, it just serves as another reason to justify potentially bad actions with 'good' intentions in their own view, while others just completely ignore it altogether. As you said, just an opinion.


Phaeton wrote:PS. colorful sig you have there, very nice.

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Yea I figured since I'm all about negativity, I should embrace that which is directed towards me, especially from someone who's known to be even more vitriolic than me but is respected for such a presence. It's like 'God' acknowledged the devil here, or a snake. :|

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PostMon Sep 24, 2012 2:38 pm » by Poooooot


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PostMon Sep 24, 2012 8:08 pm » by Nihilgeist


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Tell that to this guy...

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/rights-groups-condemn-detention-atheist-blasphemy-charges

Rights groups condemn detention of atheist on blasphemy charges

Human rights organizations have criticized the arrest of atheist activist Alber Saber.

Saber was originally arrested over claims that he published the anti-Islam film “Innocence of Muslims” on Facebook, but when it emerged that there was no evidence to support the claim, he was later charged on the basis of an atheist video that he had made.

Two days after protests and clashes between security forces and protesters broke out over the film near the US Embassy on 11 September, neighbors of Saber claimed that he shared the anti-Islam YouTube video “Innocence of Muslims” on his Facebook account, which led an angry mob to storm Saber’s house in Marg district, kicking out Saber and his mother.

Kariman Meseha, Saber’s mother, told journalists attending a press conference at the Association for Freedom of Thought and Expression yesterday that she called the police to protect her son, but once police arrived, it was Saber who was arrested, not those who attacked his home.

“Police forces told me that he would be taken to the police station to protect him from the angry mob, and that I could come by the police station the next day to receive him,” Meseha said, adding that the next day, she discovered that he was arrested on blasphemy charges.

AFTE lawyer Ahmed Ezzat said police incited the prisoners against Saber, claiming that he was an atheist and insulted the Prophet Mohamed; one of the prisoners injured him in the neck with a razor blade.

“If the blade was sharper, it would have killed Alber,” Ezzat said.

Ezzat said investigation records stated that residents of Saber’s area filed a complaint accusing him of sharing the blasphemous content. Yet the records do not state clearly who had filed the complaints, which is a violation of laws that oblige someone filing a complaint to reveal their identity.

“The records also did not specifically point out what kind of blasphemous content Saber shared,” Ezzat said, adding that prosecution accused him of religious blasphemy after finding a movie on a CD of Saber, including some comparative religion material, as well as criticisms of both Islamic and Coptic religious leaders and institutions.

Prosecutors did not find the blasphemous movie when they asked Saber to log into his Facebook account, but declined to mention this in the investigations records, Ezzat said.

“The prosecution decided to refer the matter to a technical committee to investigate whether Saber ever shared any blasphemous material. We welcome this decision because it will show that Saber shared nothing,” he added.

The prosecution asked Saber during a 12-hour investigation about his religious beliefs. One of Saber’s lawyers was kicked out after objecting to questions about Saber’s personal religious beliefs, Ezzat said.

Saber was detained for four days pending investigation by the prosecution, and his detention is now extended to another 15 days, meaning it would end Saturday.

“Religious blasphemy is a loose charge. Is criticizing religions considered blasphemous? What if someone is preaching for his religion? [Wouldn’t this] entail criticizing other religions? In this case, religious blasphemy would be considered a violation of freedom of religion,” Ezzat explained.

Yara Sallam, a member of the Nazra Center for Feminist Studies, said that though protests against “Innocence of Muslims” spread to 15 countries and was condemned by several United Nations bodies, an international law against blasphemy is not the answer.

“Some have called for religious blasphemy to be criminalized internationally. I think this is against freedom of expression as long as blasphemy does not entail calls for violence. The best way to respond to this is to ignore such calls,” Sallam said.
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PostMon Sep 24, 2012 8:13 pm » by Spock


It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with ideology. Doesn't matter if they're green, purple, white, black or polka dot.

No different from hating what Romney and the people that support him stand for.

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PostMon Sep 24, 2012 8:53 pm » by Fatdogmendoza


Phaeton wrote:
Fatdogmendoza wrote:
Phaeton wrote:First post..


No you have your own personal beliefs. Does that make you different, better, worse than 'Muslims'? Hellno.


Muslims are just like me and you Fatdog. Exactly like you and me.

Yes it does make me different, I have never once claimed to be better than anybody, but different yes. Some moslems are like me and some are better people than I will ever be..

I am the same as Jeffrey Dahmer except for
I am the same as Adolph Hitler except for
I am the same as Idi Amin except for
I am the same as Rosa Parks except for..

The point being is that yes, we are all members of the human race, but beliefs, ideologies, state of mind etc do make us different.

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PostMon Sep 24, 2012 9:22 pm » by Phaeton


Fatdogmendoza wrote:
I am the same as Jeffrey Dahmer except for
I am the same as Adolph Hitler except for
I am the same as Idi Amin except for
I am the same as Rosa Parks except for..

The point being is that yes, we are all members of the human race, but beliefs, ideologies, state of mind etc do make us different.



My point was, that you have all sorts in the Muslim community.. Just like you have all sorts in the rest of the Human 'groups', if I could call it that. This in reply to your implication that the specific group known to us as 'Muslims' were intrinsically different than you and I. This is not the case.

You have Muslims who call themselves that because their parents did, and they were raised under that flag - but dont have any real relationship with G*d, dont practice it. You have Muslims who lean to or lavish in the extreme in their practice of their religion. You also have Muslims who just want to do what they read in their scripture / books and bother no one doing it.

Same goes for Christians, same goes for Hindu's, Zionists, Communists, Neocons, [National] Socialists, etc etc. The ONLY difference between the aformentioned groups is that the Islamic variant is promoted heavily as being 'murderous', 'evil', etc etc. Anti Islamic propaganda is absolutely prevalent throughout the Western media landscape.

If I misinterpreted your comment, than I apologize.. But the feeling I got reading it, is that you specifically identified Muslims as, again, an intrinsically different group compared to 'us', ie. the rest of Mankind.. Or largely comprised of people who are different than us.

Not the case. Imho.
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PostMon Sep 24, 2012 11:34 pm » by abdulfaisal712714


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PostTue Sep 25, 2012 12:08 am » by Fatdogmendoza


Phaeton wrote:
Fatdogmendoza wrote:
I am the same as Jeffrey Dahmer except for
I am the same as Adolph Hitler except for
I am the same as Idi Amin except for
I am the same as Rosa Parks except for..

The point being is that yes, we are all members of the human race, but beliefs, ideologies, state of mind etc do make us different.



My point was, that you have all sorts in the Muslim community.. Just like you have all sorts in the rest of the Human 'groups', if I could call it that. This in reply to your implication that the specific group known to us as 'Muslims' were intrinsically different than you and I. This is not the case.

You have Muslims who call themselves that because their parents did, and they were raised under that flag - but dont have any real relationship with G*d, dont practice it. You have Muslims who lean to or lavish in the extreme in their practice of their religion. You also have Muslims who just want to do what they read in their scripture / books and bother no one doing it.

Same goes for Christians, same goes for Hindu's, Zionists, Communists, Neocons, [National] Socialists, etc etc. The ONLY difference between the aformentioned groups is that the Islamic variant is promoted heavily as being 'murderous', 'evil', etc etc. Anti Islamic propaganda is absolutely prevalent throughout the Western media landscape.

If I misinterpreted your comment
, than I apologize.. But the feeling I got reading it, is that you specifically identified Muslims as, again, an intrinsically different group compared to 'us', ie. the rest of Mankind.. Or largely comprised of people who are different than us.

Not the case. Imho.



You have bro, greatly...I come from an area in Birmingham UK called Small Heath...I have never said that all muslims are a different group to US Firstly who the fuck are us.. What I have said is that what makes us different is our upbringing, our personal beliefs and our religious beliefs whatever they may be or not as is the case in my and whether these beliefs are pious or not.. please do not put me into the same category as you seem to judge other members of Dtv, some rightfully so.. My point is that we are all different unless we become part of a none thinking non flexible group of people , in this case people who are going nuts over an obvious piece of manipulative propaganda and making themselves look like idiotic imbeciles... now thats what I call playing into the hands of the racist bigots...

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PostTue Sep 25, 2012 8:35 am » by Iwanci


I agree that we are ALL the same and the basic principle that there are good and bad people in every race and creed is very much TRUE.

If you think that Muslims are being singled out it is only because they in fact 'ARE' being singled out, in this moment in time.. the question is why?

What I can see from my lounge room is the massive protests over what many people (religious or not) see as an over exageration and over reaction to occurances that are idiotic at best.

So why the massive protests?

I believe that people show up en masse to protest to SHOW their solidarity and outrage, this is why people protest, protesters then often (fuelled with rage, passions, excitement etc) vent their feelings, frustrations and fury in the public domain.. why?

Yet again because they want to be 'seen' and want their perceived grevances acknowledged. A hidden protest serves no purpose.

And so what we are being shown around the globe on main stream and other media is exactly what the protesters (which at this point happen to be Muslims) want us to see..

So what we are seeing is a group of people showing us their outrage in ways that the majority of the human race does not tolerate (for example the killing of innocent people due to a movie is outragous no matter how you look at it).

They want us to see their outrage and the extent to which they are prepared to vent this, and then they are confronted with a majority of 'people' around the globe who do not agree with the way they are conducting themselves.

Now, this has nothing to do with the fact they are Muslims, if they were Christians or Catholics or Aetheists or Greenies and they were conducting themselves in the same manner the world would be equally outraged.

I have Muslim friends who are amongst my closest friends, I also have friends from every religious denomination (some I cant even make out), but who cares about that? We all get along by respecting each other, by agreeing and by disagreeing, but never being violent towards anyone.

This is not a Muslim issue, it is a fanaticism issue and the extent to which 'people' are willing to show their anger, which most of society does not nor should ever tolerate.

Before you call me naive (you know who you are), understand that I am not religious and could give two f*&ks about religion, I believe religion is a tool that people use to set one group against another, on its own I see no issue with religion (other than I dont believe in any of it), but in the hands of manipulators ANY religion is dangerous.

I love and hate for my own reasons, I don't need religion to cloud my judgement

There ya go...

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