Wow, Farrakhan Speaks on Freemasonry

Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:38 am » by **Harbin**

Great Oratory.

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Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:45 am » by **Relevant1**

is that Donovan McNabb behind him on the right?

Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:50 am » by **Mrmcnuggets**

McNabbs the man, the yearthe went to the super bowl, best over all qb with the most rushing yards, pass yardage, and pocket defense :flop:

too bad TOs a drama queen.

Anyone care to summarize the videos, will watch later though downllading some movies so the iPod stream is slow as hell.

Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:55 am » by **Robinc724**

b o l o g n a!!!! :roll:

Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:59 am » by **Sentientseed**

This is what occurs when one person knows something of a topic and the audiences knows little. It easily allows for interesting yet odd spins on things that the audience can easily fall into acceptance of.

We could also say that the moon stands for Sin (the god) from which Abraham left Ur to get out from under and the star for Lucifer (the light bearer) or Venus/Ishtar the daughter of Sin and also called by some the Whore of Babylon. We could spin that symbology any way we choose to fit a purpose.

Has he also done the same in his speech? Has he set himself up as Hiram Abiff? Has he set himself up as godman on earth? Does he insinuate this at all? He does seem to be leaving it open to that interpretation. If so....does it also lend him to appear to be the supposed false god of revelations? I don't see why it couldn't.

I find his speech interesting in an interpretation spin standpoint and dangerous in another view.

Personally...as a 32 degree mason myself....I find many Southern Jurisdiction's grand lodge views to be ridiculous and contradictory to the the ideals I perceive masonry to exalt. The regular and irregular stance seems a mere racist stance. I personally would shake the hand of Prince Hall Mason as a brother mason...but in my jurisdiction....we aren't even supposed to associate with Prince Hall Masons because our jurisdiction has deemed the organization as irregular. I strongly disagree with the racist stance and the irregular stance. I believe Prince Hall Masonry to be just as legit as our own charter. I may shake hands with most anyone as a mason. They only know I do so...if they are one themselves or happened to have studied masonry to some degree.

I kept waiting for him to mention the Olmecs but he never did in those two videos...yet he did mention the Moors. Oh well....it was a decent speech....but it because it was a nice listen...doesn't mean what was said was anything beyond grandiloquent speculation. It can even be seen as divisive and dangerous.

Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:11 am » by **Master Otoel**

THIS IS SOME GOOD SHIT BRO! BRUP BRUP!

Shiit.. I so wish I could get one of them "original bibles"

Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:58 am » by **Aragajag**

sentientseed wrote:This is what occurs when one person knows something of a topic and the audiences knows little. It easily allows for interesting yet odd spins on things that the audience can easily fall into acceptance of.

We could also say that the moon stands for Sin (the god) from which Abraham left Ur to get out from under and the star for Lucifer (the light bearer) or Venus/Ishtar the daughter of Sin and also called by some the Whore of Babylon. We could spin that symbology any way we choose to fit a purpose.

Has he also done the same in his speech? Has he set himself up as Hiram Abiff? Has he set himself up as godman on earth? Does he insinuate this at all? He does seem to be leaving it open to that interpretation. If so....does it also lend him to appear to be the supposed false god of revelations? I don't see why it couldn't.

I find his speech interesting in an interpretation spin standpoint and dangerous in another view.

Personally...as a 32 degree mason myself....I find many Southern Jurisdiction's grand lodge views to be ridiculous and contradictory to the the ideals I perceive masonry to exalt. The regular and irregular stance seems a mere racist stance. I personally would shake the hand of Prince Hall Mason as a brother mason...but in my jurisdiction....we aren't even supposed to associate with Prince Hall Masons because our jurisdiction has deemed the organization as irregular. I strongly disagree with the racist stance and the irregular stance. I believe Prince Hall Masonry to be just as legit as our own charter. I may shake hands with most anyone as a mason. They only know I do so...if they are one themselves or happened to have studied masonry to some degree.

I kept waiting for him to mention the Olmecs but he never did in those two videos...yet he did mention the Moors. Oh well....it was a decent speech....but it because it was a nice listen...doesn't mean what was said was anything beyond grandiloquent speculation. It can even be seen as divisive and dangerous.

Could you please expand on your use of the word jurisdiction and how that relates to masonry and any connection to society and law.

Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:24 pm » by **Sentientseed**

I used the term Southern Jurisdiction in relation to geographic location only. It probably would have been more appropriate to just say the south and even more specifically to say Arkansas Grand Lodge. When related to masonry, the term Southern Jurisdiction is more of a Scottish Rite term that has nothing to do with Blue Lodge Masonry really. In blue lodge masonry each state has its own grand lodge and is under its own jurisdiction. It has nothing to do with society in general nor common courts. Each State's Grand Lodge has its own governmental body that deals with things like dues collections, charters, handling of internal conflicts and member issues that may arise and other general masonic business. Our state's Grand Lodge looks like a courthouse on the outside.

In the Scottish Rite...it is a divisional term with each state combining to make up one of the two divisions...being unitedly under the authority of which head of the two jurisdictions they are located. In the case of the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction....that would be......

The House of the Temple
Home of The Supreme Council, 33°, Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Southern Jurisdiction, Washington D.C., U.S.A.

Arkansas Scottish Rite members would be under the authority of The House of the Temple in D.C.

Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:07 pm » by **Heinousone**

Going to have to go with SentientSeed on this one. I don't have the perspective of a Mason to draw on for my opinion on this but while Farrakhan's speech impressed me with the content that he brought forth to these people. He then Used that information disclosure to then wrap a story to raise him up so the disclosure of information was used for selfish reasons. No different really then the false bible he spoke of. Some information was given in that false bible but the disclosure was controlled and just enough was given in order to regain control.

Farrakhan is trying to become the leader of a Nation with this speech and others like it. I continued to watch other video's of that day's speech. He basically considers Black Americans, the ancestors of the slaves, to be the true God's People and the new Israel is to be states in America given to them to form a new country.

He wishes to be a President.

Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:43 pm » by **Georgedragon**

aragajag wrote:
sentientseed wrote:This is what occurs when one person knows something of a topic and the audiences knows little. It easily allows for interesting yet odd spins on things that the audience can easily fall into acceptance of.

We could also say that the moon stands for Sin (the god) from which Abraham left Ur to get out from under and the star for Lucifer (the light bearer) or Venus/Ishtar the daughter of Sin and also called by some the Whore of Babylon. We could spin that symbology any way we choose to fit a purpose.

Has he also done the same in his speech? Has he set himself up as Hiram Abiff? Has he set himself up as godman on earth? Does he insinuate this at all? He does seem to be leaving it open to that interpretation. If so....does it also lend him to appear to be the supposed false god of revelations? I don't see why it couldn't.

I find his speech interesting in an interpretation spin standpoint and dangerous in another view.

Personally...as a 32 degree mason myself....I find many Southern Jurisdiction's grand lodge views to be ridiculous and contradictory to the the ideals I perceive masonry to exalt. The regular and irregular stance seems a mere racist stance. I personally would shake the hand of Prince Hall Mason as a brother mason...but in my jurisdiction....we aren't even supposed to associate with Prince Hall Masons because our jurisdiction has deemed the organization as irregular. I strongly disagree with the racist stance and the irregular stance. I believe Prince Hall Masonry to be just as legit as our own charter. I may shake hands with most anyone as a mason. They only know I do so...if they are one themselves or happened to have studied masonry to some degree.

I kept waiting for him to mention the Olmecs but he never did in those two videos...yet he did mention the Moors. Oh well....it was a decent speech....but it because it was a nice listen...doesn't mean what was said was anything beyond grandiloquent speculation. It can even be seen as divisive and dangerous.

Could you please expand on your use of the word jurisdiction and how that relates to masonry and any connection to society and law.

You just hit the head on the nail, Jurisdiction is what it's all about, figure out what it really means, find the origin, and don't take a masons word for it, and you will be one step closer to Freedom and understanding what's really going on in the world and why most people see themselves as subjects. :sunny: