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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 9:11 am » by Lucidlemondrop


sentientseed wrote:I've read a few grimoires and have never really gotten why the need for weird symbols and odd spoken language. Why the need for amulets, talismans, and other mediums? If there are spirits, demons, ghosts..etc, why not just talk to them in whatever language one speaks normally?

Seems like the ritual is needed more for the human mind to fall into a particular mindset versus anything else. Why not just make one of those yes or no papers folded into fourths that kids use in school to see if someone likes them? Why not a magic 8 ball?


I not an expert by any means but it seems to be that it is very important to use the exact formula which has been created to individualize the particular energy force/ demon / angel / soul group, et al that you are attempting to make contact with.

It would seem necessary to be precise and clear in what you are wanting to call forth.

As we know sound, tone, light, symbol, color, scent, day, hour, pitch, ceremonial objects like knives, plant types, geometric arangement and image....gemstones, bell tones and other types of "mediums" are designed to achieve a particular pattern/matrix/energy resonance or wave, thought form, I am trying to find the words to express like how a certain mix is used to achieve a certain outcome.

All of these expressions and precision would be necessary to create the call to that which you want to be heard I am over complicating this............I guess a simple example is that if you wanted to call me in a magical formula then the formula would have to match that which I know to be me. And with conjuring you would need to follow the laws of the formula that was set forth to do so.

It is like thoughforms...........if you want to create something using your mental focus then you would want the thoughform to match that which you are wanting to bring forth.

So if I was an entity in another realm full of other enities and I was being contacted it would be necessary that the "form" sent was that some form that represents my "name"

You know how Planets correspond with a paricular color, weekday, God or Goddess, and purpose....like mars, Wednesday, red, war...............Okay........same deal.........If I am wanting to use the influence of a planet for my purpose then I would create an atomosphere or alter that contained all those things in order that Mars could "feel" and give me access to it's force.

Damn I hope this isn't as hard for you to read as it was for me to write!

And as far as the mention of that demon was spoken by zepplin and is now used widely....someone asked if it would have meaning even if the ones using it did not know of it's potential power.

I would say most definitely YES because the vibrational frequency is being multiplied and and will move towards it's form and become more powerful through the repetition of the sound. Like Catholic chants in Latin being used for centuries........the power increases as the transmission is received by it's corresponding energy field. Like attracts like and that kind of thing.

This is why symbolism is used so widely in company names, logos, etc is used so much, it creates power in a sense by the subconscious mind seeing it and it lives through the process of our perceptions and mental activity by making it a bigger energy structure.

I should just delete this mangling of the language but some things are so hard to articulate.

I am going to try a simple one liner to sum all the above

If I am praying to who I percieve to be Allah, then I would surround myself with all that I know represents Allah.

If I am praying to Jesus then I would surround myself with symbols that represent Jesus.

By doing this I am increasing my prayer by increasing the vibration.

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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 10:21 am » by Lucidlemondrop


I have run across the Lesser rituals of banishings but had not thought much about it.

Would you consider that to be a good source of information on banishing?

Maybe if you are willing you could answer that question I walked around in circles with.

As to why it is important to use the exact pronounciations and symbols unique to that which the person is attempting contact with.

I don't have the right words to express what the technique actually does as far as traveling to be heard to the realm the entity exists in.

How is that form of transportation of the thought or calling explained?
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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 10:44 am » by Lucidlemondrop


When I think on your way of feeling on this subject I can see how it could be possible that we were made to fear this type of contact with that which we have been programmed to fear that we will be eaten or overcome or possessed and forever souless.

This is a real deterrent and a bridge I have still not been able to allow myself to fully cross.

The best way to keep the majority weak is to teach them to fear their power, not power over others but power given to use to use freely.

I want dearly to come to a place where I don't wonder if the harnessing of these energies is a trick to be used by them

Or a trick by those who want to keep the truth in a place of fear so that they are the only ones to use these sources.

I would also like to know if the forces can be used for either purposes to harm others which I think would cost the person who uses them in this way a high price.

And if one used them with proper intent them would they be safe from the high price ...

I mean..........is it safe to use a power that can harm or help if yuo don't use it to harm to gain power......
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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 11:18 am » by Lucidlemondrop


This is exactly the way my instincts believe it to be.

But it practically takes a reprogrammer to allow me to let go of the fear.

It has been so effective. But this line of thought we are discussion and along with the reality as you explained there will be a going down to hell and face the demon ( be it whatever it is) in order to have the rebirth through fire, or the Phoenix actualized.

This meeting which has to be done to complete the rebirth immortality quest would be a fearful one, but it would be scary because it has to be to transform the person as is the goal.

The other type of fear, the kind forces on us to keep us from the truth could just be the true evil and the ultimate desire to have all the power while hiding in the lambs clothing.

Sometimes it makes such sense. and then the fear comes back........maybe the practitioners who want to keep it hidden can sense a soul gaining interest and losing the fear so they make some kind of obstacle to bring the fear back and stop the process

I come so close to it and then I fall back into a belief that I have never believed ....that I will be tricked and used by the powers but I don't want to keep falling back...I want to learn in a safe way....I am so afraid of being tricked and the funny thing is that I already have been tricked and that is why I am having such a time overcoming this barrier....

It is so frustrating.
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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 11:45 am » by Lowsix


lucidlemondrop wrote:When I think on your way of feeling on this subject I can see how it could be possible that we were made to fear this type of contact with that which we have been programmed to fear that we will be eaten or overcome or possessed and forever souless.

This is a real deterrent and a bridge I have still not been able to allow myself to fully cross.

I want dearly to come to a place where I don't wonder if the harnessing of these energies is a trick to be used by them

Or a trick by those who want to keep the truth in a place of fear so that they are the only ones to use these sources.


The parts i left IN your quote were, to me the most salient.
I could go on here, and provide insight, but, in would basically contradict
the message UNDERLYING that warning..BUT, be accurate nonetheless.

So instead of getting into hows and why, becuase i dont want to get sidetracked with Telco calling me a fool for the 97th time...ill leave you with this angle.

I bolded the MOST important statement, because you are bound to the power that first cleaved to you. Meaning..(and this is why the 'many paths' analogy for religion is valid)..that if you have that reservation for a reason. It is NOT an unreasonable fear (although it is likely to be talked about it in that manner by 'those in the know' to make you doubt your gut instincts...and use 'their way'...)

Attempting to override the 'first cleaving' or first belief system you are raised with, or have firmly planted in your SUBCONSCIOUS....is where people get in trouble.

If you have that concern deeply, and since you called it a barrier, i am going to say, yes that is a 100% valid concern... since we are talking about the mind, and there are no 'real (physical) barriers', then we must be talking about your spiritual 'instinct'. And THAT instinct is to be wary of being tricked.

Heres how you judge..of the sum total of times that you have had to determine yourself whether to trust or gamble...how many times have the REAL good guys..put that "trickster" vibe off.... compared to how many DIDNT put off that vibe and turned out to actually be tricksters?

Theres our entire answer as simply as i can place it with no further information to go on, and no further explanation of hows and whys on my part. Your soul is the divining machine, and it has already told you something. Something critical..

Ok, so then what would make one vulnerable to being tricked?

Enter your phrases number two "I want dearly to come to a place where I don't wonder if the harnessing of these energies is a trick to be used by them". You have GIVEN them the key to unlockin ghOW to manipulate and actually trick you. You basically said..make me feel like im not being tricked, and ill trust you.

Make sense sug?
Im not smushin bibles here i promise, but im telling you something very fucking important about this shit, that the other party to this conversation WONT tell you, because his process is involved, and to warn you OFF his own process means admitting there is some manipulation occuring here, IF in fact, he attempts to convince you that some 18 month process is enough tot tame principalities and all of this shit is hunky dory as long as you work with the 'good ones" etc etc.... That is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard, and its making me angry that hes doing this here.

(hey sorry man, but i am being upright and honest with this concern, and i wont apologize for it, and im CERTAINLY not attempting to insult you with what im saying, either..but i most CERTAINLY will not be called a fool here on this one...nor will i back off my objection.)

And no, im not even Relying on the stock standard biblical concerns with this particular line of reasoning so if you need to strike back Telco..leave the bible out of it, and lets talk practical realities. If you go down the "fool" road, i FULLLY expect you to back up what youre saying and why, if you have to counter me. Hit and run name calling wont cut it when talking about oversimplifying what it means to start calling Principals and elements..and messing with things that effect the soul..At least, let's do Lucid that favor..lets not sugar coat.
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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 11:46 am » by Sentientseed


This made me think of a sponge bob episode about Sea Bears and Sea Rhinos....which then lead me to think of the episode about the magic conch. strange. lol


Reading the Goetia (Lesser Key of Solomon)....

Here is an excerpt on Asmoday/Asmodai/Asmodeus...(32) since I am a 32 degree mason I thought I'd go with the 32 demon. lol Although he is listed as the ruler of the nine hells and one of the princes of hell in other text and represents LUST in the 7 deadly sins.....

"When the Exorcist has a mind to call him, let it be abroad, and let him stand on his feet all the time of action, with his Cap or Head-dress off; for if it be on, Amayon will deceive him and call all his actions to be bewrayed. "

So don't dare wear a hat nor sit down. :)

Some very old books on preparing for Solomon like summoning claim this vast preparation that is very lengthy. Days to weeks worth of preparation that can include fasting and extreme purification. Crowley went through some of these lengthy preparations.

Now as far as many of these go....the preparations are the same. Very elaborate diagrams drawn out on the floor. Very specific colorings and specific cardinal points.

I have many of these types books including Waite, the Golden Dawn, the keys of Enoch, the sixth and seventh books of Moses, etc. Many worth a pretty penny or two. I would think the average person wouldn't even begin to prepare for something along these lines. Many which call upon YHVH/YHWH/JHVH for protection. Funny that they're considered evil satanist but call up the Tetragrammaton for protection.

Still the ritual is similar regardless who/what is attempted to be manifest. They offer up English words for what was a different language used in the past. There is Enochian language in some. So I really don't get the specific tuning thing. Beyond the like of addressing one by their name...I don't see much difference. Also...many go by several names in several different languages so that is kinda out the window too.

So I really think it has more to do with the person doing it than anything. Some set the mood or put themselves into arousal for sex in differing ways as well. Some watch porn, some go through the seduction outlet, some go through relaxation and massage, and some just dive in without any prep.

Ritual just puts one in a certain mindset. Sleep deprivation can put one into a really weird altered state of mind as well. Why could one just as well sit and have a chat in their normal clothes and normal voice without all the abrahadabra. If one is trapping an entity and then commanding them...of course the entity might be slightly agitated. Would one rather someone just ask them for their help vs being abducted to do so? Would one be more apt to help someone if they merely asked vs forced coercion?

That is of course if one follows this line of thinking that these specific entities exist.

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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 12:13 pm » by Sentientseed


I believe I have that Abramelin the Mage book somewhere. If I remember correctly it was a first edition copy from a particular book company. Cost me a good bit of money.

But here is a free link to one of the books on it for those interested in such....

http://www.occult-underground.com/abramelin.html
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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 12:28 pm » by Lucidlemondrop


Another one of those Moments of absolute truth on multiple levels

I was about to post to Teloc after experiencing a very physical holding back and muscle tight grip that my body was creating............I felt that I was finally ready to walk off the cliff with no fear of danger of the fall "no pun" and my post was blocked by Low's so I read it first.

I will mention that while having this experience with Teloc I felt Low around and expected him somehow maybe because I know that you low are well framed in your time and energy spent to gain your perspective, so it was cool to see that post.

While reading it the tight feeling turned into fast breathing and and intense awareness of the perfect answer at this time for me.

I think that you are both correct in your truths. What both of you gave me is truth yet the truth is not the same truth for each of us at the same time....Depending on what we are in this stage of our moving to ultimate truth..............

I love that to be the truth for me now because I care much for both of you and I would not want to choose who I thought was correct and I feel that for me at this crossroads Low's perception is correct an the most important line in your post that hit me was the part about who you are cleaved to when you come here .................

This was the breakthough..........

Maybe another time delving into the mysteries of the angelic/demonic realm would be something that is a part of my path...............

But it is true this bridge of fear is so strong with me that it literally paralyzes me when I decide to ignore the bridge.

Again it does't mean that Teloc i Tricking me or misleading me in any way but rather responding to a request from me to help me understand his ways so I could come to be free of this constant struggle. And Teloc I choose to believe was doing just that...giving me info as he sees it to allow me to decide stop confusing myself.

I could say so much more about the major influx of energy that is rolling through me after releasing that fear I have faced over and over only to keep stopping at the same almost going there point.

Now I am free of the intense need to find out why I have been so drawn to so many paths yet claimed none. I haven't found it yet.

Both of you please know how profoundly this little ole discussion has meant to me.

All of your choice of words to express on both sides of the process were like divinely inspired to understand something I never could before through anyones words

I guess I will stop pouring out the wide eyes awe that I am bathing in...........

Just pretty fricken cool all the way around how this played..............
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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 12:41 pm » by yoursoulmate


harbin wrote:
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harbin wrote:Don't say the demons name out-loud.


ehem ..there is a night club in Hannover (Germany) which is called "Zaza" ...people say the name all the time :scary: ..or doesn't it have any effect when you don't know the meaning of it :think: :?:


I don't know, yoursoulmate, I'm not an expert on it. I do know that I don't like the weegee game personally and have warned friends to not let their kids, or themselves play with it. Perhaps your right about ignorance being a defense. Talking about a club is not the same as the willful intent of summoning spirits.
Perhaps now that you know, be mindful of asking for protection and dispelling negativity on yourself and house.
An interesting aside for you, is to now notice people who talk about and go to that club. See if they seem to suffer from it in anyway. You know, things such as peculiarly bad luck, accidents or health issues, (other than hangovers;)
Intent means alot. :)


well, the club is known for his long parties, people leave always about 9 am ...and go there when the other clubs are closing (about 4 am), so they are already very drunk or on drugs when they enter the club, therefore the parties are always very wild, people are almost in a trance-like state ^^...but I never thought of demonic influence :think:

telocvovim wrote:heres a meditation on fear from osho... he got some quite remarkable views on things... i liked that one....


:lol: the club next to "Zaza" is called "Osho"..and there are pictures of him everywhere inside :) ..
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PostTue Feb 16, 2010 12:41 pm » by Sentientseed


I have no idea which version I own as I can't find it right this second. I have a vast amount of books that are in no particular order and not enough shelving so some books are behind others and finding it would take some time. I just provided that link cause the txt was free and folks could get a general idea.

In looking for the book...I even ran across an annal (1872-80) from the bohemian club that i have which is one of only supposed 600 copies. Not telling what I will come across next. Thanks to all for stirring interest for me in my old books. :)
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